Originally Posted by USWINGCHUNSIFU
Some have written Lee Shing out of their lineage too. I think it is quite fascinating to see all the threads that have woven the rich tapestry of Wing Chun to this day. Joseph Cheng appears to be one of the mysterious Wing Chun Sifu that came and went. He must have been quite young when he died, I'd never heard that before.
Perhaps you remember Derek Jones a Victor Khan student.
The problem with Lee Sing was that although he was a member of the Yip Mans association, he wasn't Yip Mans linage and when he died politics came into it. i dont know if it true but i was told a number of years ago that Simon Lau wasn't Lee Sing linage either although he is listed as his student, who did Simon learn from?
in my opinion Joseph Cheung wan'nt mysterious he just believed in fighting and a lot of Wing chun teachers dont
I dont remember a Derek Jones, but my memory is'nt what it used to be[/
Simon always said that he learned under Yip Man. That's all we knew at the time. However, I have not heard or seen that acknowledged by other Sifu. It remains unclear to me. I was told that he talked highly of Lee Shing. If you were close to Austin Gogh I would think he would have told you who learned from who.
Back then Everyone wanted to connect to Yip Man because he taught Bruce Lee, so that gave you instant credibility. Then it became about how senior you were under Yip.
After meeting so many Wing Chun Sifu and students from all over, I have concluded that very very, if any got the art in its entirety. When these students arrived in the US or Europe or Australia, they had large gaps in there knowledge and understanding of Wing Chun, so just as Bruce Lee did, they added and changed things to create a cohesive style of WC. That's why you have all the secretive, competitive behavior, and politics in the WC system to a degree unlike any other Martial art. I think I got off on a tangent here but if anyone knows more about Simons lineage I would like to know.
For a while I heard the name Wong sze Wing bandied around if that rings any bells.