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silverfox1 · 29-03-2012, 21:00

Lads, Im thinking of getting a good scope for a bit of stalking and fox shooting. Im looking at the swarovski z6 2.5-15x56 or zeiss victory 4-16x50. What do ye think? I've had a lot of scopes in the last few years and never really took to any of them. Are these scopes worth the money?

palo · 29-03-2012, 21:12

Hello Silverfox.

It would be good if you could get out and see one by someone outside in the evening and by night. If you are intending to hold onto the scope for a while sure invest in one the hairs in the swaro are very fine for night shooting so make sure you get one withe the illumination dot.

silverfox1 · 29-03-2012, 21:42

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Originally Posted by palo

Hello Silverfox.

It would be good if you could get out and see one by someone outside in the evening and by night. If you are intending to hold onto the scope for a while sure invest in one the hairs in the swaro are very fine for night shooting so make sure you get one withe the illumination dot.

I know wat you mean about the swaro. I have a z3 and it has a fierce fine cross hair. Its ok for day hunting but not great for stalking. Its more suited to lamping. The glass is crystal clear though.

yukon · 29-03-2012, 22:07

are you in kk city or in the county?

silverfox1 · 29-03-2012, 22:19

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are you in kk city or in the county?

Down the south east of the county.

4200fps · 29-03-2012, 23:51

Toss a coin maybe as there both great quality sights. 56 lense should give greater light gathering i'd say with be an advantage too

FISMA · 30-03-2012, 03:40

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Originally Posted by silverfox1

Lads, Im thinking of getting a good scope for a bit of stalking and fox shooting. Im looking at the swarovski z6 2.5-15x56 or zeiss victory 4-16x50. What do ye think? I've had a lot of scopes in the last few years and never really took to any of them. Are these scopes worth the money?

Personally, I would go with a Zeiss, based on lineage. Why not throw in Schmidt and Bender?

silverfox1 · 30-03-2012, 23:56

Personally, I would go with a Zeiss, based on lineage. Why not throw in Schmidt and Bender?[/Quote]

Im leaning towards the zeiss myself. Im not in much of a rush so I'll wait and get a few more opinions and have a look around. I had 2 Schmidt and benders. A zenith and classic. Sorry i got rid of the zenith though. The classic was the 4-16x50 and was heavy out so it had to go.

De_Tomaso · 01-04-2012, 09:07

This two scopes are in general quite different and it is hard to compare them.

Swarovski is intended for hunting and hunting only. This is why it has capped turrets, which even uncapped are not the most user friendly. Hunters mostly zerro the rifle only once. For long range shots they do offer Ballistic turret for 3 preset distances which are easy to use. Compared to Victory FL 4-16x50 the glass is a bit worse and because of more complicated optical construction (6x zoom - 2.5-15x) light transmission rate in lower. On the other hand it offers way more wide field of view and more versatile magnification range. In short: for stalking this in probably better scope because of 2.5-15x magnification range and lower mass. For low light use and bullet drop compensation on the turrets the Victory FL is better.

About Ziess Victory FL I have to say that because of Fluoride glass it is optically one of the best scopes I have seen. Only March and Premier scopes are on the same level. The turrets are uncapped and great for dialing when needed, if you know the ballistic curve of your bullet and the distance to the target.

Both these scopes with reticle not illuminated are useless in low light since both reticles are too thin to be noticeable. Take my advice and go with the illuminated version of these scopes.

Both of these scopes are also worth the money and both of them are top quality. Which one to choose depends on what is more important for you. Stalking - Swarovski, Low light use and better turrets for bullet drop compensation - Zeiss.

De_Tomaso · 01-04-2012, 09:13

If you are not fixed to these two scope I would also suggest you look at Premier Light Tactical 3-15x50 or Premier Hunting 3-15x50.

yukon · 01-04-2012, 10:20

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Originally Posted by silverfox1

Lads, Im thinking of getting a good scope for a bit of stalking and fox shooting. Im looking at the swarovski z6 2.5-15x56 or zeiss victory 4-16x50. What do ye think? I've had a lot of scopes in the last few years and never really took to any of them. Are these scopes worth the money?

I am in kk city if you want to have a look trough the z6i give me a call and wee can meet somewhere in the evening .

silverfox1 · 01-04-2012, 22:05

Yukon I'll take you up on that offer. Send me on your number and I'll give you a shout. Cheers. Thanks for the help lads.

323 · 02-04-2012, 05:47

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Originally Posted by FISMA

Personally, I would go with a Zeiss, based on lineage. Why not throw in Schmidt and Bender?

Agree with 4200fps, a toss up really between any of the German & Austrian glass, but if talking lineage, Kahles, the first to make a rifle scope and my personal preferance for each of my rifles.

De_Tomaso · 02-04-2012, 07:16

Kahles still has the know-how to make great scopes but in the hunting department they are sleeping last few years. On the other hand their new tactical K624i (6-24x56) and K312 II (3-12x50) are really good.

silverfox1 · 02-04-2012, 22:00

call 0868366119 thanks.[/Quote]

I'll give you a ring over the weekend. Cheers.

29-03-2012, 21:00	#1
silverfox1 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: kilkenny Posts: 167 Adverts \| Friends	zeiss or swarovski Lads, Im thinking of getting a good scope for a bit of stalking and fox shooting. Im looking at the swarovski z6 2.5-15x56 or zeiss victory 4-16x50. What do ye think? I've had a lot of scopes in the last few years and never really took to any of them. Are these scopes worth the money?

01-04-2012, 09:07	#9
De_Tomaso Registered User Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 97 Adverts \| Friends	This two scopes are in general quite different and it is hard to compare them. Swarovski is intended for hunting and hunting only. This is why it has capped turrets, which even uncapped are not the most user friendly. Hunters mostly zerro the rifle only once. For long range shots they do offer Ballistic turret for 3 preset distances which are easy to use. Compared to Victory FL 4-16x50 the glass is a bit worse and because of more complicated optical construction (6x zoom - 2.5-15x) light transmission rate in lower. On the other hand it offers way more wide field of view and more versatile magnification range. In short: for stalking this in probably better scope because of 2.5-15x magnification range and lower mass. For low light use and bullet drop compensation on the turrets the Victory FL is better. About Ziess Victory FL I have to say that because of Fluoride glass it is optically one of the best scopes I have seen. Only March and Premier scopes are on the same level. The turrets are uncapped and great for dialing when needed, if you know the ballistic curve of your bullet and the distance to the target. Both these scopes with reticle not illuminated are useless in low light since both reticles are too thin to be noticeable. Take my advice and go with the illuminated version of these scopes. Both of these scopes are also worth the money and both of them are top quality. Which one to choose depends on what is more important for you. Stalking - Swarovski, Low light use and better turrets for bullet drop compensation - Zeiss. Last edited by De_Tomaso; 01-04-2012 at 09:10.

02-04-2012, 07:16	#14
De_Tomaso Registered User Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 97 Adverts \| Friends	Kahles still has the know-how to make great scopes but in the hunting department they are sleeping last few years. On the other hand their new tactical K624i (6-24x56) and K312 II (3-12x50) are really good. Last edited by De_Tomaso; 02-04-2012 at 11:31.

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29-03-2012, 21:12	#2
palo Registered User Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 82 Adverts \| Friends	Hello Silverfox. It would be good if you could get out and see one by someone outside in the evening and by night. If you are intending to hold onto the scope for a while sure invest in one the hairs in the swaro are very fine for night shooting so make sure you get one withe the illumination dot.

29-03-2012, 22:07	#4
yukon Registered User Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 104 Adverts \| Friends	are you in kk city or in the county?

29-03-2012, 23:51	#6
4200fps Registered User Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Leitrim Posts: 1,014 Adverts \| Friends	Toss a coin maybe as there both great quality sights. 56 lense should give greater light gathering i'd say with be an advantage too

30-03-2012, 23:56	#8
silverfox1 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: kilkenny Posts: 167 Adverts \| Friends	Personally, I would go with a Zeiss, based on lineage. Why not throw in Schmidt and Bender?[/Quote] Im leaning towards the zeiss myself. Im not in much of a rush so I'll wait and get a few more opinions and have a look around. I had 2 Schmidt and benders. A zenith and classic. Sorry i got rid of the zenith though. The classic was the 4-16x50 and was heavy out so it had to go.

01-04-2012, 09:13	#10
De_Tomaso Registered User Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 97 Adverts \| Friends	If you are not fixed to these two scope I would also suggest you look at Premier Light Tactical 3-15x50 or Premier Hunting 3-15x50.

01-04-2012, 22:05	#12
silverfox1 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: kilkenny Posts: 167 Adverts \| Friends	Yukon I'll take you up on that offer. Send me on your number and I'll give you a shout. Cheers. Thanks for the help lads.

02-04-2012, 22:00	#15
silverfox1 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: kilkenny Posts: 167 Adverts \| Friends	call 0868366119 thanks.[/Quote] I'll give you a ring over the weekend. Cheers.