[28064212]

Originally Posted by drunkmonkey

@28064212, it's a peaceful protest that will actually enhance towns for the few hours the internet is shut down. No harm done to anyone and a boost for your local economy if done through business hours.

And yet the local businesses would disagree.

Would you agree with a human chain doing a "peaceful protest" across O'Connell St that brings the city to a standstill? What about a couple of hundred of cars taking every space within 3 miles of your house, on the basis that it would be good for you if you can't get home and have to go out and "enjoy" your time outside?

[drunkmonkey]

Originally Posted by 28064212

And yet the local businesses would disagree.

Would you agree with a human chain doing a "peaceful protest" across O'Connell St that brings the city to a standstill? What about a couple of hundred of cars taking every space within 3 miles of your house, on the basis that it would be good for you if you can't get home and have to go out and "enjoy" your time outside?

Bricks and Mortar stores without an online presence would be over the moon if the internet shut down on one of the best shopping day of the week. How much money is flying out of Ireland every day due to online shopping that's never coming back.

A protest in O'Connell street is a boost to dublin traders. A protest that shuts down the internet is a boost to 99% of small Irish business in every city, town and village on the Island.

[28064212]

Originally Posted by drunkmonkey

Bricks and Mortar stores without an online presence would be over the moon if the internet shut down on one of the best shopping day of the week. How much money is flying out of Ireland every day due to online shopping that's never coming back.

A protest in O'Connell street is a boost to dublin traders. A protest that shuts down the internet is a boost to 99% of small Irish business in every city, town and village on the Island.

Which small Irish businesses are these exactly? People shop online for items they don't need right now, so waiting another day or two is not going to make a difference. In the meantime, you're going to cripple Irish businesses who do rely on the internet. Not to mention making Ireland a less attractive place for foreign investors who aren't going to want to invest somewhere with an unreliable internet infrastructure.

Your question was on the legal side, and it's been answered. No, Anonymous are not an illegal organisation. If you perform illegal acts, you can be prosecuted. You seem to be sure DOS attacks aren't illegal, so you've got nothing to worry about

[drunkmonkey]

It's not Ireland it's the world. 0 impact on foreign investment. There knocking out the the whole internet in one swoop on saturday might be only for a few minutes but it looks like it's going to happen.
I will be having no part in it, i'm justing wondering about the legality of someone from Ireland being involved.

If something isn't written into law (in Ireland) as illegal, does that make it legal? That answers the other question.

[28064212]

Originally Posted by drunkmonkey

If something isn't written into law (in Ireland) as illegal, does that make it legal?

It makes it legal in Ireland. If you break a US law (or any other country), which such an action certainly would, they can bar you from entering the US, or arrest you when you attempt to enter. You can't be extradited if it's not a crime here.

How confident are you it's not a crime here?

[drunkmonkey]

Don't presume theres any law covering it, so its hardly illegal. Its not something that can be controlled so theres not much point creating laws around it, anyone with a unregistered pre pay internet sim card will never be traced. A lot of laws would need changing to really stop the crime if it was to become one.

[28064212]

Originally Posted by drunkmonkey

Don't presume theres any law covering it, so its hardly illegal. Its not something that can be controlled so theres not much point creating laws around it, anyone with a unregistered pre pay internet sim card will never be traced. A lot of laws would need changing to really stop the crime if it was to become one.

They really wouldn't. Did you read the article on the UK legislation I posted above? This is specifically written for DOS attacks

The 2006 Act expands the 1990 Act's provisions on unauthorised modification of computer material to criminalise someone who does an unauthorised act in relation to a computer with "the requisite intent" and "the requisite knowledge."

The requisite intent is an intent to do the act in question and by so doing:

1. to impair the operation of any computer,
2. to prevent or hinder access to any program or data held in any computer
3. to impair the operation of any program or data held in any computer

[MagicSean]

Originally Posted by drunkmonkey

Don't presume theres any law covering it, so its hardly illegal. Its not something that can be controlled so theres not much point creating laws around it, anyone with a unregistered pre pay internet sim card will never be traced. A lot of laws would need changing to really stop the crime if it was to become one.

There is a law for it. The only problem in prosecuting is proving intent and knowledge

[Gillo]

Originally Posted by drunkmonkey

@Paulw, correct and right. I don't see how hitting F5 could be in any way considered terrorism. Terrorism would generally mean that a natural person is being hurt in some way. There is no one getting injured in this instance. So it's not Terrorism by any stretch of the imagination. Bullying maybe a little but terrorism no.

If I don't have internet access, I can't do my job (sales) if I can't sell, I don't earn commission. So physically it's not harming me yet financially it is. My company cant sell so it's affecting profits, which affect individuals salary & bonus'. I'm just one person, working for one company, there's a lot of people like me. It's an act of terrorism, admittedly a pretty crap and cowardly one at least Al Quada have to balls to a/ blow themselves up and b/ not hide behind a stupid mask.
(Just for the record I'm not say Al Quada are right in what they do)

[Kef]

Originally Posted by drunkmonkey

Anyone can help them easily, you just download a little program and run it, it's very simple and requires you not to be very computer literate.

I think what you mean there is that it requires you to be computer illiterate, installing a small program that you don't know what it does and really where its from isn't a clever practise. If you think it is then give me 20 minutes, I'll send you a little program and then all I ask is that you log into a few websites, maybe enter your credit card details I promise you it'll all be for a good cause

[JG009]

Anonymous are good, but are they that good?

http://pastebin.com/GFkQnf6e

[RandolphEsq]

"We are Anonymous.
We are Legion.
We do not Forgive.
We do not Forget.
You know who you are, Expect us."

Some people watch too much sci-fi

[chops018]

Surprised no one has mentioned article 39 of the constitution.

"Treason shall consist only in levying war against the State, or assisting any State or person or inciting or conspiring with any person to levy war against the State, or attempting by force of arms or other violent means to overthrow the organs of government established by this Constitution, or taking part or being concerned in or inciting or conspiring with any person to make or to take part or be concerned in any such attempt."

Helping anonymous do such an activity that overthrows an organ of the government could be considered treason, and treason could have resulted in the death penalty until such a penalty was abolished :/

[JG009]

Well that was a let down.

[johnnyskeleton]

Originally Posted by drunkmonkey

No harm is done, nothing gets broken. Nobody is injured and it couldn't be considered hacking. So what law can I be arrested under?

There is no law to say I can't hit F5 as many times as I want when i'm on any website. That's a DOS attack if ye all helped me.

It would seem to be a fairly obvious instance of dishonestly using a computer to causes loss to another:

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2001/...0009.html#sec9