Originally Posted by Mickeroo
Its not that he doesn't give the other viewpoint, its that he lies and edits the movies in a fashion support his own viewpoint this is very different to just presenting his own viewpoint. They're not documentaries, they're propoganda films.
All "documentary" films are propaganda, some just more so than others. The very fact that someone bothered to make a film about any given subject is proof they have a point to make about it. I don't see why people get so upset about this, you make your mind up by looking at both sides of an argument - there's no law to say they have to be presented to you in one neat, easily digested bundle. When you've made your mind up - you're biased, plain and simple.
Originally Posted by Sad Professor
Just to be clear, I'm not defending Moore. I was responding to the "he's biased" line of criticism. I study history and if i wrote "this source is biased" in an essay, my lecturer would underline it and want to know WTF I was talking about. Bias should be assumed of everything you read or watch. It doesn't matter if it's the BBC or Robert Fisk, they all have opinions, they are all biased. Some of them are just better at hiding it.
Absolutely. I'm not defending him either bu fact is there is no such thing as an unbiased reporter. Most of the best journalism in the world, stems from bias - not the lack thereof. If the journalist/filmaker or whoever wasn't biased one way or the other they probably couldn't be arsed investigating or reporting!
Anyone who thinks that anything another human being has taken the time and effort to record for the world to see, then hasn't slanted that thing to suit their own viewpoint/beliefs, is deluding themselves.
A point of view has to be, by it's very definition, biased. Bias does not necessarily equate to dishonesty.
I will admit that moore does go in for the kill in all of his films, and has a tendency to hammer his point home, but i still find them both informative and entertaining, a rare enough feat to achieve. I've never assumed his films were gospel, so i was never all that shocked to find out they weren't. Believing a film maker is akin to believing a politician, they'll both "bend the facts" to suit themselves. Some will be subtle some will downwright lie through their teeth. It's up to each individual to sift through and make sense of what they see and hear.