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18-03-2012, 04:26   #376
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The 49ers are set for a Superbowl run next year, they're now the best team in the league no matter if Manning or Smith is at QB.

Would honestly love to see Smith getting to play with so many weapons after suffering behind bad o-lines and minimal passing weapons for so many years. Davis, Moss, Crabtree and Manningham are as good a set as any in the league.
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18-03-2012, 05:15   #377
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Davis, Moss, Crabtree and Manningham are as good a set as any in the league.
Let me get this straight....

You've got a 35 year old who hasn't played football in over a year and didn't do anything the year before when he was playing (and I use the term "playing" lightly - couldn't get on the field for the Titans or the Vikings, was too busy not giving a damn).

You've also got a wide receiver who is coming from a team where he was 3rd on the depth chart where he barely put up over 500 yards with a measly 4 touchdowns last year.

You've got a #10 overall pick who has shown nothing like what a #10 should expect, who is more concerned with getting paid and bad mouthing his own QB than he is learning how to run a route properly.

And you've got Vernon Davis, who I won't say a bad word about

You're saying those 4 guys are better than, say...

Wes Welker coming off of a 1,600 yard season, two tight ends in Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez who had more yards and touchdowns between them than those four 49ers players above had added together, and Brandon Lloyd who put up 1,400 yards the last time he was in this system.

Not one of those 49ers receivers is better than his Patriots' counterpart. Saints, Packers and Falcons also have better receiving depth than the 49ers. You're talking out of your hoop. Don't be so reactionary.
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18-03-2012, 05:50   #378
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I didn't say they were the 'best'. The Patriots passing game is obviously loaded like a Saturn V rocket at this point. Saints are ahead of them too but the balance the 49ers offer now means they're very much comparable to the Saints now.

The fact is Moss is obviously hungry, and from all reports, can still play. Crabtree has undoubted talent and should flourish now that he has other receivers that'll draw attention. Manningham's always impressed me, he was a little unlucky that last season, when the Giants let Smith go and opened up a opportunity for him, Cruz emerged with such a ridiculous stat-line. He's certainly one of the very best #3's in the league, and that's obvious how he'll be used in San Fran. Davis is obviously top 5 material in terms of tight ends and will probably have more impact now teams won't be able to just account for him in the red zone and man-mark everyone else.

The 49ers have built a balanced and cost-effective passing attack this off season and that was just about their only weakness. The fact they have a very good line and top class backs will also contribute hugely to their passing game, neither the Packers, Lions or Patriots (last season's most effective passing teams outside the Saints) have that sort of balance.

Harbaugh'll be opening up the passing game more next season now he has some weapons and that - likely - Smith is developing and settled in the system.

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18-03-2012, 12:05   #379
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I didn't say they were the 'best'. The Patriots passing game is obviously loaded like a Saturn V rocket at this point. Saints are ahead of them too but the balance the 49ers offer now means they're very much comparable to the Saints now.

The fact is Moss is obviously hungry, and from all reports, can still play. Crabtree has undoubted talent and should flourish now that he has other receivers that'll draw attention. Manningham's always impressed me, he was a little unlucky that last season, when the Giants let Smith go and opened up a opportunity for him, Cruz emerged with such a ridiculous stat-line. He's certainly one of the very best #3's in the league, and that's obvious how he'll be used in San Fran. Davis is obviously top 5 material in terms of tight ends and will probably have more impact now teams won't be able to just account for him in the red zone and man-mark everyone else.

The 49ers have built a balanced and cost-effective passing attack this off season and that was just about their only weakness. The fact they have a very good line and top class backs will also contribute hugely to their passing game, neither the Packers, Lions or Patriots (last season's most effective passing teams outside the Saints) have that sort of balance.

Harbaugh'll be opening up the passing game more next season now he has some weapons and that - likely - Smith is developing and settled in the system.
sorry syf im gona have to disagree with you there there an improvement over last year but still not near top 5 in the nfl davis is a beast probably the bet recieving te in the nfl at this stage. but in my opinion
moss-blessed with talent and should have beaten jerry rices numbers but is one of the biggest wastes of talent iv ever seen he could be a good receiver but i cant see it at this stage

manningham- is not that good at all iv been watching him since he was drafted and hes never overly impressed he performed in the sb so credit where credit is due but the pats where letting him open trying to cover other recievers

crabtree-has shown flashes but i cant see him turning into the player he could have been seems a bit lazy to me but i cant discount him if he puts in a good offseason and making a sb will motivate him now it didn't seem possible before

off the top of my head id put
pats
eagles
giants
falcons
saints
lions
packers
cowboys
texans
ahead of them

this is just my opinion but i think there level with
bengals
chiefs
redskins(although much more cost effective)
and maby giants(but there just as likely to pull another few receivers out of nowhere

i agree that there cheaper than some of the above and alex smith is not as bad as people think so he's going to help just don't thing there better
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18-03-2012, 12:42   #380
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Just saw on twitter (Jamie cuthridge), can't link on phone, that smith is talking to Miami. Surely that means 49ers are seriously talking to manning?
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Slow down there. If that 49ers pass rush slows down they become middle of the table.

49ers offence is poor. had I think 1-15 3rd down converted in the playoffs two weeks in a row.

Yes Manning will help that, but I in no way think there near a finished article.
Good team though and if Manning goes there, im sure they will be in the playoffs.
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18-03-2012, 20:34   #382
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Alex Smith has sacked Tom Condon as his agent - big surprised there given how things have panned out.
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Matt Flynn just signed with Seattle - 3 years, $26m. As a Dolphins fan, I am not a happy camper at all.
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18-03-2012, 21:27   #384
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Matt Flynn just signed with Seattle - 3 years, $26m. As a Dolphins fan, I am not a happy camper at all.
What happens the 49ers if Smith signs for Miami and Manning picks the Broncos or Titans?
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18-03-2012, 21:37   #385
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What happens the 49ers if Smith signs for Miami and Manning picks the Broncos or Titans?
Go wih Kaepernik I assume. Smith won't end up in Miami anyway. The Dolphins will F this one up too.
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18-03-2012, 22:11   #386
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I've had to sign up just to vent my frustration. It's really hard work being a Miami fan at the minute. Any slack I was prepared to cut Stephen Ross is gone. He's turned a once proud franchise into a laughing stock.

There's clearly no leadership in the franchise. Things have gone backward not forward since the end of the season. How is Jeff Ireland still in a job?

We'll be lucky to be competing in 3 years time never mind next year which, considering some of the talent at their disposal, is scandalous. Even the Bills can sign a big name free agent!

I don't know whether to laugh or cry!
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18-03-2012, 22:12   #387
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Matt Moore did a good/decentish job last year

Would you be happy with Matt Moore next season?

Seemed to improve as the season went on
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18-03-2012, 22:15   #388
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Go wih Kaepernik I assume. Smith won't end up in Miami anyway. The Dolphins will F this one up too.
The 49ers themselves will admit that Kaepernik is not ready and won't be for a couple of years - that's why they offered Smith a 3 year contract.
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Moore did a solid job last year and might do again next year. I'd love to know how he is feeling at the minute? I know I'd be fairly pissed off if I was him. The powers that be in Miami clearly have no faith in him.

His main weapon has been taken away from him in Brandon Marshall and his job has been touted to just about ever QB with a functioning shoulder (and some without). The front office have been absolutely appalling.

The worst part of it is that I was never really sold on Matt Flynn. Giving him big money would have been madness.

The frustrating part for me is that over the last 10 years the front office has consistently made poor decisions and failed to address the quarterback position and made a hash of it again this offseason.

I don't think Tannehil is the answer and certainly not worth drafting at 8.
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The 49ers themselves will admit that Kaepernik is not ready and won't be for a couple of years - that's why they offered Smith a 3 year contract.
Niners could well take weeden themselves though, good chance he's available at 30
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