[Buford T Justice]

Originally Posted by mazzaru

Buford T justice : you say that on their form we can't convert anything bigger that 3.5t but I red their notes and it says we can only convert M1 M2 M3 and N1 vehicules not just the ones below 3.5t

I'm currently converting a merc bus 7.5t GVW (M3 category) and it s ready to go in the post for the revenue I just hope you are wrong on that part coz I would be stuck if we couldn't convert our bus camper.

Is it true that we can't convert a vehicule ourself anymore, It has to be done by a professional ? when that regulation comes into place ?

Anyway thanks for this thread you ve done a good job it did help us a lot.

They've updated the form since I've done my conversion and upped it to 5t. In you're situation the maximum weight under category M1 M2 or M3 is 5 tonnes, so I personally don't seem them allowing anything bigger than 5 Tonnes, as it wont qualify for any of the M1, M2 or M3 categories once converted. You'll need to make an enquiry about it.

Vehicle categories
The European Commission adopted Regulation (EU) No. 678/2011 on 14th July 2011. This regulation replaces Annex II of Directive 2007/46/EC. Declarants should familiarise themselves with the general definitions, criteria for vehicle categorisation, vehicle types and types of bodywork set out in the Annex to the Regulation.
A Category M1 vehicle is a vehicle designed and constructed for the carriage of passengers and comprising no more than eight seats in addition to the driver’s seat.
A Category M2 vehicle is a vehicle designed and constructed for the carriage of passengers, comprising more than eight seats in addition to the driver’s seat, and having a maximum mass not exceeding 5 tonnes.
A Category M3 vehicle is a vehicle designed and constructed for the carriage of passengers, comprising more than eight seats in addition to the driver’s seat, and having a maximum mass exceeding 5 tonnes.
A Category N1 vehicle is a vehicle designed and constructed for the carriage of goods and having a maximum mass not exceeding 3.5 tonnes.
A Category N2 vehicle is a vehicle designed and constructed for the carriage of goods and having a maximum mass exceeding 3.5 tonnes but not exceeding 12 tonnes.
A Category N3 vehicle is a vehicle designed and constructed for the carriage of goods and having a maximum mass exceeding 12 tonnes.

To be deemed a motor caravan for vehicle registration purposes, a vehicle must be a special purpose EU Category M1, M2 or M3 vehicle with a bodytype SA and must be constructed to include living accommodation which contains at least the following equipment: (1) seats and table, (2) sleeping accommodation which may be converted from the seats, (3) cooking facilities, and (4) storage facilities. It should be noted that this equipment must (with the exception of the table which may be designed to easily removable) be rigidly fixed to the living compartment.

With regards to the home conversion, I believe that its ok to convert yourself still, but they need to be certified by an SQI which is the current situation.

[mazzaru]

M3 type is having a maximum mass exceeding 5 tonnes, my camper is 5.5t so so far I understood that we can do it coz it s a bus not a truck.

N2 and N3 categories are for trucks >3.5t and are not include for convertion as camper.

It will not be possible, for registration tax purposes, to convert any vehicle other than an M1, M2, M3 or N1 vehicle to qualify it as a motor caravan, i.e. a Category M1, M2 or M3 vehicle a bodytype SA

[niloc1951]

Originally Posted by Buford T Justice

They've updated the form since I've done my conversion and upped it to 5t. In you're situation the maximum weight under category M1 M2 or M3 is 5 tonnes, so I personally don't seem them allowing anything bigger than 5 Tonnes, as it wont qualify for any of the M1, M2 or M3 categories once converted. You'll need to make an enquiry about it.


With regards to the home conversion, I believe that its ok to convert yourself still, but they need to be certified by an SQI which is the current situation.

I think there is a little confusion in your piece above BTJ.

M1, M2 & M3 are not really relevant in the context of 'motor caravans'.

M1, M2 & M3 are themselves sub-categories of category M Category M Motor vehicles designed and constructed primarily for the carriage of persons and their luggage., at this 'top level' of the category, weights or passenger capacity have not yet been defined, these parameters are dealt within the sub categories M1, M2 & M3.

Motor Caravans are a sub-category themselves of the headline category M (not the sub-categories M1, M2 or M3), and in which there is no reference to weight.
5.1. |(name) Motor caravan | (body work type code) SA | (definition) A vehicle of category M with living accommodation space which contains the following equipment as a minimum: (a)seats and table;(b)sleeping accommodation which may be converted from the seats;(c)cooking facilities;(d)storage facilities.This equipment shall be rigidly fixed to the living compartment. However, the table may be designed to be easily removable. |.

As can be seen, under Commission Regulation (EU) No 678/2011 of 14 July 2011 there is no defined weight criteria into which a vehicle is required to fall within in order to be considered a 'motor caravan'.

So, for example anything from a Romahome on a Citroen Berlingo to a 19.5 tonne 44" Monaco Diplomat is a Category M , Body type SA, Motor Caravan

[niloc1951]

Originally Posted by mazzaru

M3 type is having a maximum mass exceeding 5 tonnes, my camper is 5.5t so so far I understood that we can do it coz it s a bus not a truck.

N2 and N3 categories are for trucks >3.5t and are not include for convertion as camper.

THIS BEAUTY at 13,500 Kg GVW would have started life as an N3 before conversion and it is now most certainly an M 'motor caravan' of the lotto winners world

[1100shadow]

Originally Posted by mazzaru

Buford T justice : you say that on their form we can't convert anything bigger that 3.5t but I red their notes and it says we can only convert M1 M2 M3 and N1 vehicules not just the ones below 3.5t

I'm currently converting a merc bus 7.5t GVW (M3 category) and it s ready to go in the post for the revenue I just hope you are wrong on that part coz I would be stuck if we couldn't convert our bus camper.

Is it true that we can't convert a vehicule ourself anymore, It has to be done by a professional ? when that regulation comes into place ?

Anyway thanks for this thread you ve done a good job it did help us a lot.

On the 2nd page of the Declaration of Conversion form which states whats required they now require Invoices showing the cost of conversion. Does this rule out Home Conversions ?

[hplp]

Originally Posted by 1100shadow

On the 2nd page of the Declaration of Conversion form which states whats required they now require Invoices showing the cost of conversion. Does this rule out Home Conversions ?

I dont see why not. I thought there were more changes coming in in april that would rule them out.

Im having problems with the company that i used to engineer inspect it. They think he doesnt have the necessary qualifications.....

H

[mazzaru]

Originally Posted by 1100shadow

On the 2nd page of the Declaration of Conversion form which states whats required they now require Invoices showing the cost of conversion. Does this rule out Home Conversions ?

I presumed it does. We did send invoices.

[stevire]

Going to book in with Cawleys in Sligo next week for the NSAI check, CosyClassics have an SQI that comes in once a week or so but he charges €150 and only does a visual inspection for less than 5 mins! What a job!!

What's involved in the NSAI check?

[Buford T Justice]

Originally Posted by stevire

Going to book in with Cawleys in Sligo next week for the NSAI check, CosyClassics have an SQI that comes in once a week or so but he charges €150 and only does a visual inspection for less than 5 mins! What a job!!

What's involved in the NSAI check?

They just have a quick scout around the van and make sure its a camper and not a van anymore. Simple as than, then sign and stamp paperwork and yer done.

[stevire]

Originally Posted by Buford T Justice

They just have a quick scout around the van and make sure its a camper and not a van anymore. Simple as than, then sign and stamp paperwork and yer done.

Nice one thanks! Hopefully have a classified camper come April!

[PANADOL]

Originally Posted by Buford T Justice

They just have a quick scout around the van and make sure its a camper and not a van anymore. Simple as than, then sign and stamp paperwork and yer done.

Bought a 88 fiat ducato petrol motorhome Irish reg for 1300 euro then bought a 97 Ford transit 2.5d chassis cab for 5oo I plan to lift the motorhome body off the 88 fiat. And put it. On the 97 Ford anyway revenue will prob deem it to be worth 20k and the rest @ 13% could be up to 3 k only going to cost about in total about 2500 between purchase of two vehicles and conversion yet vrt could be 3k???

[barnabee90]

I was wondering would insurance brokers even consider insuring a 22year old in a van conversion? Is it legal to carry passengers in the rear seats of the camper if seat belts are fitted...

[Buford T Justice]

Originally Posted by barnabee90

I was wondering would insurance brokers even consider insuring a 22year old in a van conversion? Is it legal to carry passengers in the rear seats of the camper if seat belts are fitted...

Yes and yes.

[Poula]

Originally Posted by stevire

Going to book in with Cawleys in Sligo next week for the NSAI check, CosyClassics have an SQI that comes in once a week or so but he charges €150 and only does a visual inspection for less than 5 mins! What a job!!

What's involved in the NSAI check?

I got all this done at the motor tax office only a few weeks ago. She did the inspection outside the tax office and did all the paperwork for me. Did you try this? Might be worth a go for the money it'll save you.

[moodrater]

Originally Posted by Poula

I got all this done at the motor tax office only a few weeks ago. She did the inspection outside the tax office and did all the paperwork for me. Did you try this? Might be worth a go for the money it'll save you.

Whcih office was this?