[LenaClaire]

Originally Posted by Kalimah

From all accounts he haa been a model citizen since. He made a mistake. We're all entitled to make mistakes when we're young. Don't anyone tell me you're the same person at 50 than you are at 16. We all did stuff when we we're young that we wouldn't care to be reminded of now. I say good luck to the man.

Ok, what sort of things can you do when you are 16 that you are allowed to get away with? What is the list of things that we can just write off as a mistake?

Shop Lifting?
Assault?
Joy Riding?
Rape?
Robbery?
Murder?

I agree that people mature, and grow as they age but I also think that people should be accountable for their actions.

[lividduck]

Originally Posted by jujibee

Ok, what sort of things can you do when you are 16 that you are allowed to get away with? What is the list of things that we can just write off as a mistake?

Shop Lifting?
Assault?
Joy Riding?
Rape?
Robbery?
Murder?

I agree that people mature, and grow as they age but I also think that people should be accountable for their actions.

He has been held accountible, he has been arrested, charged, convicted and sentenced. Whats left?

[dod2214]

Originally Posted by Spacedog

Yeah tell me about it, I have a 5 page long list of infractions on the site for calling out child sexual abusers and their apologists.

Reporting restrictions where lifted by the court at the request of his sister the victim I see no issue worn naming Paul Roche of Eellmount Ave Finglas on this or any other site as his name is out there as a matter of public record

[LenaClaire]

Originally Posted by lividduck

He has been held accountible, he has been arrested, charged, convicted and sentenced. Whats left?

Honestly, I think he should be required to pay for therapy for his sister, but I am not even arguing about his sentence in that post.

What I am trying to draw attention to is the belief that has been posted on this thread that some crimes seem to be forgivable, if you are young when you commit them, as per the posts below.

Calling molesting a family member, multiple times, a "mistake" is just obscene.

Originally Posted by Kalimah

From all accounts he haa been a model citizen since. He made a mistake. We're all entitled to make mistakes when we're young. Don't anyone tell me you're the same person at 50 than you are at 16. We all did stuff when we we're young that we wouldn't care to be reminded of now. I say good luck to the man.

Originally Posted by Kalimah

Have to say I think the sentence was fair. He was 16 and probably curious. The Ireland of the time had damn all sex ed and sex was seen in a very negative way. Even the human body was viewed as something to be ashamed of. The guy's name has been all over the paper so his life is ruined. Personally I don't think cases like that should be brought if they are that far in the past. The woman concerned.should have brought it up 20 years of she had an issue

[lividduck]

Originally Posted by dod2214

Reporting restrictions where lifted by the court at the request of his sister the victim I see no issue worn naming Paul Roche of Eellmount Ave Finglas on this or any other site as his name is out there as a matter of public record

Fine, so you joined boards just to name someone who has already been named and shamed in the press. The guy was arrested, charged, convicted, sentenced and is now on the sex offenders register.
What is obvious is that you have a personal adgenda with guy in particular and are trying to use boards to pursue it.

[livinsane]

I definitely think a jail sentence would be pointless in this case, as other posters have pointed out. It would probably serve as a more symbolic punishment had he been jailed, as the need for rehabilitation had been proven unnecessary.

His actions certainly pointed to a manipulative and controlling individual who preyed on this girl and used to his advantage her age and her relationship to him. 16 is well old enough, and there was too much of an age gap to put it down to curiosity.

Naming and shaming will be a hard punishment for him. Just going about your everyday life in your community or at work, it will be torture knowing that people are talking about you.

Abuse within families is rife and still on going. Unfortunately hormones are urges are so strong that it is largely a biological issue, with obvious social issues that can enraging it. The best you can hope for is a supportive family. Certainly improvements in sex education will help children learn that it doesn't have to be an embarrassing secret and in the same way if your sibling punched you in the face, you'd run straight to your parents. I'd hope that if someone behaved inappropriately with a child, and they were reprimanded immediately, it would prevent it from happening again. Like all bad behaviour, if you can get away with it, why would you stop?

Fair play to the girl for coming forward for justice. Must have been torture all these years. Hopefully, she will be respected and supported within her family and they don't fall into the trap of pitying the brother.

[minidazzler]

Originally Posted by jujibee

Honestly, I think he should be required to pay for therapy for his sister, but I am not even arguing about his sentence in that post.

What I am trying to draw attention to is the belief that has been posted on this thread that some crimes seem to be forgivable, if you are young when you commit them, as per the posts below.

Calling molesting a family member, multiple times, a "mistake" is just obscene.

I don't think anyone really said they are forgivable, but prison was completely pointless in this case. He isn't a child molester, he is a man who molested a child 35 years ago. He made an extremely huge error, he was vile and disgusting. But if 35 years on her has done nothing more of the sort and has lived a quiet life keeping to himself and doing nothing out of the way, then prison just isn't the right place for him.

Prison is ostensibly about rehabilitation, this man doesn't need prison, maybe some court mandated psychological assessment to see where his head is at, and then go from there, but Prison isn't the right way to go about it.

I'm 22 now and a completely different person to when I was 16, how much can a man change in 35 years? I know it doesn't change what he did, and I know it won't change how his sister feels but sending him on a custodial sentence just to get some punishment in, is completely ridiculous.

I agree he should have to pay for any therapy that his sister went through and is going through.

Oh, and if RE: If the crime had been a robbery he'd be in jail?

No, he wouldn't, not if it was that long ago.

No one is saying his crimes should be forgiven, but they also shouldn't be punished with prison this far on.

[Kalimah]

Just wondering dod2214 what you think a fitting sentence would be?

[dod2214]

Originally Posted by Kalimah

Just wondering dod2214 what you think a fitting sentence would be?

The maximum sentence that could have been imposed for the 4 charges of indecently assaulting a minor is 2 years in prison. Even that sentence is a joke but should have been imposed. By the way at no stage during the trial did Paul Roche Wellmount Ave Finglas apologise for what he did.

[Ellis Dee]

Originally Posted by dod2214

The maximum sentence that could have been imposed for the 4 charges of indecently assaulting a minor is 2 years in prison. Even that sentence is a joke but should have been imposed. By the way at no stage during the trial did Paul Roche Wellmount Ave Finglas apologise for what he did.

Even if he had received the maximum two-year sentence, would you have been satisfied? I suspect the answer is "no". And what would you want to do to him after he had served his sentence?

As for your "at no stage during the trial did Paul Roche --- apologise", it says this in the Irish Times report: "Paul Carroll, defending, said Roche told gardaí 'if she said it then I accept it happened', and apologised for the wrongdoing."

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...312523004.html


Please stop twisting facts to suit your own agenda.

[AeoNGriM]

Meh - fcuk this

[dod2214]

[Quote=Ellis Dee;77428876]

Originally Posted by dod2214

The maximum sentence that could have been imposed for the 4 charges of indecently assaulting a minor is 2 years in prison. Even that sentence is a joke but should have been imposed. By the way at no stage during the trial did Paul Roche Wellmount Ave Finglas apologise for what he did.

Even if he had received the maximum two-year sentence, would you have been satisfied? I suspect the answer is "no". And what would you want to do to him after he had served his sentence?

As for your "at no stage during the trial did Paul Roche --- apologise", it says this in the Irish Times report: "Paul Carroll, defending, said Roche told gardaí 'if she said it then I accept it happened', and apologised for the wrongdoing."

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...312523004.html


Please stop twisting facts to suit your own agenda.


I personally don't want to do anything to him. He has ruined the life of his sister who he molested over a period of four years but his actions have impacted severely on his family members also. As with all cases of abuse the consequential damage ripples out for many many years. Families are torn apart as result. As for my comment Paul Roche never made any attempt to apologise in person the empty words spoken by his legal representative mean nothing ,after all hisbarrisrer us bound to do his best for his client and I have no issue with that. It was only after the police were involved did Paul Roche attend his doctor and begin taking medication for depression. Also as noted in the trial he tried to explain away his behaviour by stating that his relationship with his mother somehow shaped his behaviour .What a load of crap . His barrister also stated that psychological tests carried out after he was charged indicate that he is an individual of low intelligence. Another attempt to excuse his behaviour. There's also the matter of his previous marriage which was annulled also mentioned in the court. We only get a snippet in the newspaper reports the actual tells a more comprehensive story.

[lividduck]

[QUOTE=dod2214;77429745]

Originally Posted by Ellis Dee

Even if he had received the maximum two-year sentence, would you have been satisfied? I suspect the answer is "no". And what would you want to do to him after he had served his sentence?

As for your "at no stage during the trial did Paul Roche --- apologise", it says this in the Irish Times report: "Paul Carroll, defending, said Roche told gardaí 'if she said it then I accept it happened', and apologised for the wrongdoing."

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...312523004.html


Please stop twisting facts to suit your own agenda.


I personally don't want to do anything to him. He has ruined the life of his sister who he molested over a period of four years but his actions have impacted severely on his family members also. As with all cases of abuse the consequential damage ripples out for many many years. Families are torn apart as result. As for my comment Paul Roche never made any attempt to apologise in person the empty words spoken by his legal representative mean nothing ,after all hisbarrisrer us bound to do his best for his client and I have no issue with that. It was only after the police were involved did Paul Roche attend his doctor and begin taking medication for depression. Also as noted in the trial he tried to explain away his behaviour by stating that his relationship with his mother somehow shaped his behaviour .What a load of crap . His barrister also stated that psychological tests carried out after he was charged indicate that he is an individual of low intelligence. Another attempt to excuse his behaviour. There's also the matter of his previous marriage which was annulled also mentioned in the court. We only get a snippet in the newspaper reports the actual tells a more comprehensive story.

It is obvious you only joined Boards.ie just to repeatedly say the same things about this guy over and over ad nauseum.
Why don't you just get honest and disclose whatever personal agenda you have with him.

[Kalimah]

It just goes to show you that what you read in the papers is only half the story. Funnily enough I have heard that the first thing people who are accused of such crimes are told to do is contact a psychologist for evaluation. Seemingly it goes down well in court.

[Spacedog]

Originally Posted by GombeanMan

Not saying you are wrong, but until the law has dealt with this matter beyond a reasonable doubt, there remains the possibility of naming the wrong person. Court Fines are worse than infractions. I would leave this up to the Courts and not mob justice.

Cloyne Report is evidence enough for me.