[kippy]

Originally Posted by yourpics

Apparently the printers keep job records for all documents printed, so it should be possible to figure out what exactly he printed.

The cartridges were taken in 07 and 08, the presidential election was 2011.

This thing about "jobs records" is a load of bull.
Very very few printers actually store (over a long period) the content of the documents printed on them, it wouldn't be feasible for one.
They ONLY history they store (and this depends on the printer) are the number of colour/B&W pages that were printed and this is a limited history at best.

Based on the statements by AOS, and the statements from a number of his constituents here and elsewhere, as well as the empirical facts about page coverage, potential number of pages printed per toner, amount of paper required, quality of leaflets that are known to exist, availability of dail printing press, estimated life span of other components within the printers, use of ink/toner by other politicians, reduction in use since the limits came in (the list goes on), you would have to be the most blinkered of supporters to believe that he used all that ink himself on two printers for leaflets for constituents. It just beggars believe that he is still getting support at this point.

[Monty Burnz]

Originally Posted by kippy

Based on the statements by AOS, and the statements from a number of his constituents here and elsewhere, as well as the empirical facts about page coverage, potential number of pages printed per toner, amount of paper required, quality of leaflets that are known to exist, availability of dail printing press, estimated life span of other components within the printers, use of ink/toner by other politicians, reduction in use since the limits came in (the list goes on), you would have to be the most blinkered of supporters to believe that he used all that ink himself on two printers for leaflets for constituents. It just beggars believe that he is still getting support at this point.

I suppose if you justify your support for SF (in spite of their very dodgy associations) on the grounds that they are 'different' to everyone else, it must be a real slap in the face to find out that they are just the same.

Easier to believe some elaborate excuse than question your beliefs. Same thing with Bertie Ahern and his hard-core Fianna Failure supporters.

[kippy]

Originally Posted by Monty Burnz

I suppose if you justify your support for SF (in spite of their very dodgy associations) on the grounds that they are 'different' to everyone else, it must be a real slap in the face to find out that they are just the same.

Easier to believe some elaborate excuse than question your beliefs. Same thing with Bertie Ahern and his hard-core Fianna Failure supporters.

True, although I wouldn't call the excuse coming from SF/AOS "elaborate" - anything but.

[Monty Burnz]

Originally Posted by kippy

True, although I wouldn't call the excuse coming from SF/AOS "elaborate" - anything but.

Yeah, I suppose 'highly implausible' was what I should have said. Along the lines of Bertie's "I won it on the horses", the favourite of money launderers the world over.

[maccored]

Are we sticking to inks costing 50 grand? Have we decided how many cartridges there were? figures seem to go from a few hundred to a few thousand. does anyone here have definitive figures on exactly how much ink was used?

AoS didnt lie about it and certainly didnt deny it. Much preferred to those who seem to be making it up as they go along. I'll take honesty any day.

[kippy]

Originally Posted by maccored

Are we sticking to inks costing 50 grand? Have we decided how many cartridges there were? figures seem to go from a few hundred to a few thousand. does anyone here have definitive figures on exactly how much ink was used?

AoS didnt lie about it and certainly didnt deny it. Much preferred to those who seem to be making it up as they go along. I'll take honesty any day.

The problem is, at this stage, there isn't enough information out there. Either on what exactly he took, or how many of them.
He did not lie or deny taking the consumables, how could he, they were on public record. After that we have no idea of whether he lied or not.

This whole thing was hidden by the politicians who knew about it and were it not for the journalist we may never have know what happened.

[yourpics]

Originally Posted by kippy

you would have to be the most blinkered of supporters to believe that he used all that ink himself on two printers for leaflets for constituents. It just beggars believe that he is still getting support at this point.

I never said I was a supporter of AÓS and if you took the trouble to read the thread before attacking another poster you would see that I am not a SF supporter.

[kippy]

Originally Posted by yourpics

I never said I was a supporter of AÓS and if you took the trouble to read the thread before attacking another poster you would see that I am not a SF supporter.

I never said you were.
The "YOU" in that statement should have probably read "ONE" as it wasn't directed at yourself but at people in general who support his side of the story.
If you read that as an "attack" on another poster, I apologise.

[yourpics]

Originally Posted by kippy

I never said you were.
The "YOU" in that statement should have probably read "ONE" as it wasn't directed at yourself but at people in general who support his side of the story.
If you read that as an "attack" on another poster, I apologise.

Fair enough!

[Pompey Magnus]

Originally Posted by kippy

This whole thing was hidden by the politicians who knew about it and were it not for the journalist we may never have know what happened.

So you don't think it was only temporarily "hidden" by the politicians who knew about until such time as it would be politically beneficial for them to tip off that journalist? Do you think it was just a coincidence he happened to discover it when SF were after doing very well in an opinion poll and when a European referendum was due to be announced which would see SF as being one of the main oppositions to it succeeding? Seriously?

[Godge]

Originally Posted by Pompey Magnus

So you don't think it was only temporarily "hidden" by the politicians who knew about until such time as it would be politically beneficial for them to tip off that journalist? Do you think it was just a coincidence he happened to discover it when SF were after doing very well in an opinion poll and when a European referendum was due to be announced which would see SF as being one of the main oppositions to it succeeding? Seriously?

Sounds like a Bertie Ahern conspiracy theory about why the stories came out about him. Didn't he say the same thing then?

[K-9]

Originally Posted by Pompey Magnus

So you don't think it was only temporarily "hidden" by the politicians who knew about until such time as it would be politically beneficial for them to tip off that journalist? Do you think it was just a coincidence he happened to discover it when SF were after doing very well in an opinion poll and when a European referendum was due to be announced which would see SF as being one of the main oppositions to it succeeding? Seriously?

It doesn't really affect the actual issue though?

[kippy]

Originally Posted by Pompey Magnus

So you don't think it was only temporarily "hidden" by the politicians who knew about until such time as it would be politically beneficial for them to tip off that journalist? Do you think it was just a coincidence he happened to discover it when SF were after doing very well in an opinion poll and when a European referendum was due to be announced which would see SF as being one of the main oppositions to it succeeding? Seriously?

As someone pointed out earlier, timing is everything in politics. The same someone used the Martin McGuinness/Sean Gallagher altercation as an example of timing in politics.
In this instance the journalist would have had to have submitted that FoI long before that opinion poll or announcement of a european referendum.
I have to say, arent you glad it came out? I mean there's no point pretending any more from SF - they are just as bad as the rest of them.

SF only have themselves to blame in this instance, no one else. They handled the whole escapade especially badly.

EDIT - just to add, I believe the politicians that knew about this hid it as it was something that would bring more focus on political wages and benefits and we all know turkeys tend not to vote for Christmas.
This thing could have been tipped to the journalist by any number of people who knew about this by the way, a disgruntled staff/ex staff member etc......

[MadsL]

Forgive a flippant diversion, but this did make me lol on another forum...

Gosh, you're a good'un.. how have I missed your other 140 odd posts?.. they should be put together as pamphlet or manifesto.

Feel free. I am happy to help with printing costs. (A friend of a friend got a great deal on toner).

[Seanchai]

So what did Ó Snodaigh spend the money printing?

An idea might be in the following...

All history teachers in our school received numerous coloured copies of the 1916 Proclamation in the post today; Irish on one side, English on the other. Green on top, white in the centre, orange at the bottom.

They were posted in an A4 envelope with Dáil Éireann written on the left-hand side. A letter, also on coloured paper with the gold harp of the state on the top, was signed by 'Aengus Ó Snodaigh TD'.

Most objectionably, however, on the bottom right of each English version of the Proclamation is typed 'Aengus Ó Snodaigh TD'. Whatever frame teachers get, they'll be sure to try and cover that up.

Shameless opportunist using state money - "expenses" - to promote himself, to literally place his name alongside Mac Diarmada, Pearse and Plunkett. Up there with the worst of the mé féiner crooks in Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael.