[cowzerp]

Originally Posted by walshb

Tyson's era keeps getting brought up.

Ok, the top ten in his era, championship era IMO wipe the floor with what we have today. How anyone thinks otherwise baffles me. Look at the fighters today. Chisora, Povetkin, Huck, Helenius, Haye, Solis. These lads have no chance against Tucker, Bruno, Spinks, Holmes, Thomas, Dokes, Biggs, Whitespoon.

Tucker at 30-0-0 had only beat Douglas a man who was not rated by anyone in Boxing.
Bruno only beat Bugner before 1st Tyson fight and after that nobody till mccall
Spinks beat Holmes and Cooney at end of their careers and all his work was at Light heavy.
Holmes beat some names but was on his way out bad and after losing twice to light heavy spinks
Thomas beat nobody and had lost to Berbick
Dokes who is dokes?!
Biggs was only doing 10 rounders and hads not even seen a name, and his 1st real fight was Tyson on his 30th fight!!
Whiterspoon i assume you mean, Tyson was kept away from him and they never fought.

[walshb]

Originally Posted by cowzerp

Tucker at 30-0-0 had only beat Douglas a man who was not rated by anyone in Boxing.
Bruno only beat Bugner before 1st Tyson fight and after that nobody till mccall
Spinks beat Holmes and Cooney at end of their careers and all his work was at Light heavy.
Holmes beat some names but was on his way out bad and after losing twice to light heavy spinks
Thomas beat nobody and had lost to Berbick
Dokes who is dokes?!
Biggs was only doing 10 rounders and hads not even seen a name, and his 1st real fight was Tyson on his 30th fight!!
Whiterspoon i assume you mean, Tyson was kept away from him and they never fought.

Paul, forgetting these records, do you think today's men are better boxers/fighters than the 80s men? Serioulsy, Povetkin? Solis? Helenius?

Whiterspoon was very good, but does not beat a peak Tyson. I think almost anyone would agree with this.

[cowzerp]

Originally Posted by walshb

Paul, forgetting these records, do you think today's men are better boxers/fighters than the 80s men? Serioulsy, Povetkin? Solis? Helenius?

Whiterspoon was very good, but does not beat a peak Tyson. I think almost anyone would agree with this.

it's irrelevant about witherspoon, they did not fight and makes it look worse for Tyson and many feel it was him been protected.

As i said earlier its much of a muchness-YOU are seriously overrating Tysons era which was poor and you give no reason for anyone to change their minds-it's just like now and most other Era's, what i will say is todays era is better than Marcianos and people have no problem overrating Marciano as a heavyweight all timer.

You might not like me saying this but todays lads not been on tele, is the reason your so blinkered and most of the 80's names would be unknowns if Tyson had not bashed them, have you ever even seen the 3 of todays you name Boxing? and if so how many times.

[RiseToTheTop]

Looking at the condition alone. Solis, Arreola, Chisora (who shouldn't be weighing in at 238lbs, more like 225lbs in tip top condition). These are top contenders but come in overweight. That is why I don't think they would do good in the 80's.

But look at Chiosra, Helenius, Tyson Fury who is rated #5 at HW now. They have a couple of good fights and are elevated to top contender status, that sholdn't happen. Chisora lost 2 of his past 3 fights before Vitali. Tyson Fury hasn't beaten anyone of note. (and i'm including a 260lb Chisora here.) Helenius has beaten no-one, nada, but is the top contender.

[cowzerp]

Originally Posted by RiseToTheTop

Looking at the condition alone. Solis, Arreola, Chisora (who shouldn't be weighing in at 238lbs, more like 225lbs in tip top condition). These are top contenders but come in overweight. That is why I don't think they would do good in the 80's.

But look at Chiosra, Helenius, Tyson Fury who is rated #5 at HW now. They have a couple of good fights and are elevated to top contender status, that sholdn't happen. Chisora lost 2 of his past 3 fights before Vitali. Tyson Fury hasn't beaten anyone of note. (and i'm including a 260lb Chisora here.)

We know Chisora is a dud at heavyweight.
Fury rated top 5 is pathetic even though he is unbeaten but he is not a top 5 boxer so that does not make all the rest below him worse-some politics here i guess and he probably will get 1 of the brothers next if this does not change, was not rated top 15 recently.

[RiseToTheTop]

TBH i'd love for Vitali to knock Fury the f*** out. He arrived calling himself "Tyson", talks a lot. Hopefully he fights either brother soon instead of fightning these no names 3/4 times a year.

[gene_tunney]

Tyson Fury is not a top 20 Heavyweight.