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paultf · 27-02-2012, 16:57

If anyone is interested.

Ice Dogs 1/3 BBC4 8pm and 11.25pm (first shown 2002)
In the harshest winter in Siberian memory, Benedict Allen is in Siberia's remotest and most secretive province of Chukotka to learn from native hunters how to use a team of husky dogs to travel 1,500 kilometres into the Arctic and attempt to cross the Bering Strait into Alaska.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01cz5q7

Pedigree Dogs Exposed: 3 years on BBC4 9pm and 01.20am
In 2008, Pedigree Dogs Exposed lifted the lid on the true extent of the health and welfare problems faced by pedigree dogs in the UK. The startling exposé of harmful breeding practices generated a massive reaction from the public and from those involved in dog breeding
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01cqp75

Discodog · 27-02-2012, 18:05

Thanks. I missed the PDE follow up - but I heard a lot about it !

magentas · 27-02-2012, 22:49

Caught the end of Pedigree Dogs Exposed. All I can say is wow. Had no idea of the pain and suffering the pugs and bulldogs suffer with their breathing etc.

Pretty horrific stuff. It's very sad what some humans have done to breeds. To see certain breeds 100years ago compared to the way that they're bred today...it's just sad.

Discodog · 27-02-2012, 23:13

If anyone wants to record this it is being repeated at 1.20am tonight.

Chris_Heilong · 28-02-2012, 00:25

Just finished the Ice Dogs, the English guy hadnt a clue and was totally all over the place, also the Locals seemed not the brightest as they made many mistakes and could not even read simple things like the direction the sun set in order to find their way back to town, the Eskimos of Greenland have Survival down to a fine art unlike these people.

ppink · 28-02-2012, 07:20

The poor king charles spaniels! did they say that woman bred from her show dog 26 times after being diagnosed with syringomyelia?

Yet another show that did not cast breeders and show people in a good light.

planetX · 28-02-2012, 12:46

It's great to see people from the breed clubs starting to speak out, what they've done to some of these breeds in 100 years is animal cruelty. I loved the idea of a whole new type of dog show, where good health and good temperament would be promoted. I'd enter my mutt

**adrenalinjunkie** · 28-02-2012, 13:37

I say kudos to the kennel club, the show made it look like they haven't done much, but in reality the changes they have made will make a huge difference over time. The problem is no longer the kennel club but the individual breeders and I would hope that the younger people coming into the show-ring would be more open to change and to being educated. With some breeds it really does look like 'if you continue to abuse 'em your going to loose 'em, hopefully that's a big enough kick in the butt to get people moving in the right direction.

suziwalsh · 28-02-2012, 23:41

Great news that the kennel club are willing to make changes...lets hope they are enforced. However I do think its a disgrace that they needed a programme to put pressure on them to make these changes.

Sad to see that mans best friend is being so obviously genetically abused with horrible results. I see the problems every day here. Really upsetting.

Discodog · 29-02-2012, 09:24

Given the KC's response & the reaction of the breeders, to the first program it doesn't bode well for their desire to really change things. Jemima Harrison gets my kudos not the KC - after all the KC were hardly unaware of all this suffering going on for years.

ppink · 29-02-2012, 10:49

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Originally Posted by Discodog

Given the KC's response & the reaction of the breeders, to the first program it doesn't bode well for their desire to really change things. Jemima Harrison gets my kudos not the KC - after all the KC were hardly unaware of all this suffering going on for years.

agree with that. It should never have taken a programme like that to alert these issues. the KC should be all over those things like a rash.

Bullseye1 · 29-02-2012, 14:01

The responses from some of these breeders is disheartening.

Stereomaniac · 29-02-2012, 14:06

It kind of reminds me of the same people that take part in the hunt. Can anyone agree to that?

Discodog · 29-02-2012, 17:47

If anyone wants more info there is a huge amount on Jemima's Blog.

http://pedigreedogsexposed.blogspot.com/

27-02-2012, 16:57	#1
paultf Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 895 Adverts \| Friends	BBC4 tonite: 2 repeated dog programmes If anyone is interested. Ice Dogs 1/3 BBC4 8pm and 11.25pm (first shown 2002) In the harshest winter in Siberian memory, Benedict Allen is in Siberia's remotest and most secretive province of Chukotka to learn from native hunters how to use a team of husky dogs to travel 1,500 kilometres into the Arctic and attempt to cross the Bering Strait into Alaska. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01cz5q7 Pedigree Dogs Exposed: 3 years on BBC4 9pm and 01.20am In 2008, Pedigree Dogs Exposed lifted the lid on the true extent of the health and welfare problems faced by pedigree dogs in the UK. The startling exposé of harmful breeding practices generated a massive reaction from the public and from those involved in dog breeding http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01cqp75

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27-02-2012, 18:05	#2
Discodog Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Near Galway Posts: 6,470 Adverts \| Friends	Thanks. I missed the PDE follow up - but I heard a lot about it !

27-02-2012, 22:49	#3
magentas Registered User Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: galway Posts: 1,121 Adverts \| Friends	Caught the end of Pedigree Dogs Exposed. All I can say is wow. Had no idea of the pain and suffering the pugs and bulldogs suffer with their breathing etc. Pretty horrific stuff. It's very sad what some humans have done to breeds. To see certain breeds 100years ago compared to the way that they're bred today...it's just sad.

27-02-2012, 23:13	#4
Discodog Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Near Galway Posts: 6,470 Adverts \| Friends	If anyone wants to record this it is being repeated at 1.20am tonight.

28-02-2012, 00:25	#5
Chris_Heilong Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,259 Adverts \| Friends	Just finished the Ice Dogs, the English guy hadnt a clue and was totally all over the place, also the Locals seemed not the brightest as they made many mistakes and could not even read simple things like the direction the sun set in order to find their way back to town, the Eskimos of Greenland have Survival down to a fine art unlike these people.

28-02-2012, 07:20	#6
ppink Registered User Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,523 Adverts \| Friends	The poor king charles spaniels! did they say that woman bred from her show dog 26 times after being diagnosed with syringomyelia? Yet another show that did not cast breeders and show people in a good light.

28-02-2012, 12:46	#7
planetX Closed Account Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,432 Adverts \| Friends	It's great to see people from the breed clubs starting to speak out, what they've done to some of these breeds in 100 years is animal cruelty. I loved the idea of a whole new type of dog show, where good health and good temperament would be promoted. I'd enter my mutt

28-02-2012, 13:37	#8
adrenalinjunkie Moderator Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: North West Posts: 3,677 Adverts \| Friends Mod: Animals & Pet Issues	I say kudos to the kennel club, the show made it look like they haven't done much, but in reality the changes they have made will make a huge difference over time. The problem is no longer the kennel club but the individual breeders and I would hope that the younger people coming into the show-ring would be more open to change and to being educated. With some breeds it really does look like 'if you continue to abuse 'em your going to loose 'em, hopefully that's a big enough kick in the butt to get people moving in the right direction.

28-02-2012, 23:41	#9
suziwalsh Closed Account Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 370 Adverts \| Friends	Great news that the kennel club are willing to make changes...lets hope they are enforced. However I do think its a disgrace that they needed a programme to put pressure on them to make these changes. Sad to see that mans best friend is being so obviously genetically abused with horrible results. I see the problems every day here. Really upsetting.

29-02-2012, 09:24	#10
Discodog Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Near Galway Posts: 6,470 Adverts \| Friends	Given the KC's response & the reaction of the breeders, to the first program it doesn't bode well for their desire to really change things. Jemima Harrison gets my kudos not the KC - after all the KC were hardly unaware of all this suffering going on for years.

29-02-2012, 14:01	#12
Bullseye1 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 5,175 Adverts \| Friends	The responses from some of these breeders is disheartening.

29-02-2012, 14:06	#13
Stereomaniac Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: The Bird Cage Posts: 1,806 Adverts \| Friends	It kind of reminds me of the same people that take part in the hunt. Can anyone agree to that?

29-02-2012, 17:47	#14
Discodog Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Near Galway Posts: 6,470 Adverts \| Friends	If anyone wants more info there is a huge amount on Jemima's Blog. http://pedigreedogsexposed.blogspot.com/