[dirtynosebeps]

at the end of the day your not going to win or get a taxi driver to admit one of their own was wrong. next time it happens report to the guards and push for a proscectition, you might have to go to court. spookie can bring up all he wants but at the end of it all it was careless/ dangerous driving/ dangerous overtaking. these days taxi drivers are taking to many risks because they think they own the roads. as for the different replies i did say this earlier on in the thread

Originally Posted by dirtynosebeps

the good point about your thread is it shows the amount of people who dont know the rules of the road.

. and to my disappointment i've been proven right, worst of all by those that are supposed to be professional drivers. this thread would seem to open a big can of worms where the P.S.V. test is concerned. a learner driver would have more knowledge of the R.O.R. than most of these guys.

[Spook_ie]

Originally Posted by dirtynosebeps

at the end of the day your not going to win or get a taxi driver to admit one of their own was wrong. next time it happens report to the guards and push for a proscectition, you might have to go to court. spookie can bring up all he wants but at the end of it all it was careless/ dangerous driving/ dangerous overtaking. these days taxi drivers are taking to many risks because they think they own the roads. as for the different replies i did say this earlier on in the thread . and to my disappointment i've been proven right, worst of all by those that are supposed to be professional drivers. this thread would seem to open a big can of worms where the P.S.V. test is concerned. a learner driver would have more knowledge of the R.O.R. than most of these guys.

So another one who fails to grasp the point of when a rule is not a rule but an advisory, succintness is lost on you. I'm not saying either driver was right or wrong, I AM SAYING that the OPs opinion that he was 100% right and the taxi driver was 100% wrong is flawed because of the lack of an enforcable " rule ". If the RAB in question had correct/some lane markings/signage then yes one or the other would have erred in their judgement. As it was, because of the lack of lane markings/signage the situation is at best ambiguous leading to a clash of decisions.

In the event of a collision at the exit, I dare say the taxi driver may well have been in the wrong because changing lanes for the exit requires you to ensure that it is safe to do so but there would also be an onus on the OP to allow for people changing lanes, not having been a witness to the incident, it wouldn't be fair to try and apportion blame either way.

As to

at the end of the day your not going to win or get a taxi driver to admit one of their own was wrong.

You sir are in the wrong that I would protect one of my own, indeed the more taxidrivers put off the road for lack of driving skills the better for me, I would have followed the same tack if it was any other driver, " Rules are enforcible, guidelines are not "

[Spook_ie]

Noting the general way in which people seem to think that the RoR are gospel, I have found this reference to an actual LAW that pertains to RaBs, Don't know how upto date the web site is but I'll quote it for you anyway.

The provisions of the Road Traffic Acts and the Road Traffic (General) Bye- Laws 1964 apply to traffic on roundabouts in exactly the same way as to all roads. In summary these require motorists to drive in a manner which takes account of the prevailing conditions, at a safe speed and having regard to lane discipline. The specific rule relating to roundabouts contained in Bye-Law 21 of the Road Traffic (General) Bye-Laws, 1964 requires that "a driver shall enter a roundabout by turning to the left".
The following should also be noted carefully:
You should:

• Treat the roundabout as a normal junction which means you yield right of way to traffic approaching on the roundabout.
• IF LEAVING BY THE FIRST EXIT approach and enter the roundabout in the left-hand lane signalling a left turn and proceed to leave the roundabout at that exit.
• IF LEAVING BY THE SECOND EXIT approach and enter the roundabout in the left-hand lane but do not signal until you have passed the first exit, then signal a left turn and leave at the next exit.
• IF LEAVING BY ANY SUBSEQUENT EXIT approach and enter the roundabout in the right hand lane signalling a right turn. Keep in the right hand lane (i.e. the lane next to the centre). As you pass the exit before the one you intend to leave by, signal a left turn and, when your way is clear, move to the other lane and leave at the desired exit.

Remember that signals are merely indications of intent. They do not confer right of way. When in doubt, play safe - YIELD.

http://www.lireland.com/theory/roundabouts.htm

[Spook_ie]

Yet another factor, turned up by research.

http://www.rulesoftheroad.ie/pdf-downloads/english/rules-of-the-road%20eng.pdf

Scroll to page 8

Introduction
The rules of the road are for all road users – drivers, pedestrians, motorcyclists,horse riders and cyclists. You must have a satisfactory knowledge of these rules to get a driving licence, but learning about road safety doesn’t stop once you pass a driving test. It takes a lifetime. You need to constantly update your skills and knowledge and be aware of changes to road traffic laws. This is why you should understand and obey these rules whether you are learning to drive or have been driving for many years.

This book uses a ‘how to’ approach and covers many of the manoeuvres
identified as factors in a road crash. It uses three methods to set down clearly and concisely how the law applies to all road users.
It uses must and must not to draw attention to behaviour the law clearly demands or forbids.

It uses terms such as should and should not to tell you how best to act in
a situation where no legal rule is in place. It illustrates and describes traffic lights, road markings and signs provided to regulate traffic.

By knowing the rules of the road, practising good driving skills and generally
taking care as a road user, you will help to play a vital role in preventing a crash. You will also be making road safety policies more effective.

A number of skills are expected of road users, especially drivers:
the ability to act responsibly,
the ability to foresee and react to hazards,
good concentration, and
a good level of driving expertise.
8
Údarás Um Shábháilteacht Ar Bhóithre
Road Safety Authority

Then scroll to pages 107-111 and read them, how many of the bits of advice have the Must/Must Not highlight?

So from the RSA themselves the recommendations for use of approach roads at RaBs are just that, recommendations NOT law

[tayto lover]

I actually rang the Garda Traffic Corps in Kells to find out about roundabouts.
You can stay in the RHL if taking the 3rd or subsequent exit.
They said that the RSA are only recommending that you can stay in the LHR for the 3rd exit if its at 12 o'clock. That is not a law.

So both the taxi driver and the OP were correct in their driving but not in their subsequent behaviour.

[Spook_ie]

Additionaly found this gem......

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showp...&postcount=103

Perhaps he was a Mayo taxi driver!!!

[foggy_lad]

Originally Posted by cuppa

Thanks for that, because I probably would have drove the same as the Taxi, going on the old rule, when did they change this, It was back in 87 i did my test . And i don't really watch TV especially adverts.

Sometimes the main road is not at 12 o'clock or straight on ,what do you do then, do you use right or left lane, just wondering.

• IF LEAVING BY ANY SUBSEQUENT EXIT approach and enter the roundabout in the right hand lane signalling a right turn. Keep in the right hand lane (i.e. the lane next to the centre). As you pass the exit before the one you intend to leave by, signal a left turn and, when your way is clear, move to the other lane and leave at the desired exit.

Afaik when you enter a roundabout from the right hand lane you can switch to the outside lane at any time when it is safe to do so and after signalling and checking your way is clear.

It is very clear the taxi driver the op describes did not check if there was anyone in the outside lane of the roundabout before he decided to exit by veering across it.

[Spook_ie]

Originally Posted by foggy_lad

Afaik when you enter a roundabout from the right hand lane you can switch to the outside lane at any time when it is safe to do so and after signalling and checking your way is clear.

It is very clear the taxi driver the op describes did not check if there was anyone in the outside lane of the roundabout before he decided to exit by veering across it.

Wouldn't disagree with that, only disagreement is with the OP's statement that he was 100% in the right using the LHL and the taxi driver was 100% wrong in using the RHL on the approach to the RaB

[DWCommuter]

Originally Posted by Spook_ie

Wouldn't disagree with that, only disagreement is with the OP's statement that he was 100% in the right using the LHL and the taxi driver was 100% wrong in using the RHL on the approach to the RaB

You are some spin doctor!

[foggy_lad]

Originally Posted by Spook_ie

Wouldn't disagree with that, only disagreement is with the OP's statement that he was 100% in the right using the LHL and the taxi driver was 100% wrong in using the RHL on the approach to the RaB

The taxi was 110% in the wrong for exiting the roundabout regardless of what you believe or your opinions on his driving, and he further showed himself up as a thug and possible scumbag by blocking the traffic including the op who he proceeded to intimidate and abuse.

[Spook_ie]

Originally Posted by foggy_lad

The taxi was 110% in the wrong for exiting the roundabout regardless of what you believe or your opinions on his driving, and he further showed himself up as a thug and possible scumbag by blocking the traffic including the op who he proceeded to intimidate and abuse.

Never disagreed with that either, fail to see the reason for your post

As stated several times, and I'll state it again, the behaviour of the taxi driver after leaving the RaB is not in dispute, I am disputing the right of anyone to say they were 100% in the right when there is no legal backing to chastise a driver (taxi or not) for approaching a RaB in the RHL

[Spook_ie]

Originally Posted by DWCommuter

You are some spin doctor!

There's no spin on it, it's merely a statement of fact, do you have some facts to back up your statement that I'm a spin doctor?

[-Chris-]

I think that's enough tbh.