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13-04-2010, 10:30   #1
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Alan Ahearne on Irish property bubble (2005)

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Sunday, October 09, 2005 - By Alan Ahearne

House-price booms and busts are surprisingly common in industrial countries. In a new study of house prices that I wrote with several of my former colleagues at the US Federal Reserve, we identified no fewer than 44 episodes of house price booms and busts in industrial countries since 1970.

Given the eye-popping gains in house prices in Ireland over the past decade, the foreign experience is particularly relevant.

On balance, the lessons from the study are quite sobering, and underscore the difficulty of the task that will face policy makers in Ireland in the event of a significant downturn in Irish house prices.

The difficulty arises in part because it is not clear what policy-makers in Ireland should do, if anything, to respond to so-called asymmetric shocks - that is, shocks that affect Ireland but do not affect other members of the euro area, or shocks that produce different effects on the Irish economy than on other euro-area economies. A crash in Irish house prices is an example of such a shock. What's more, the chances of a house price bust might be greater than many people think.

Consider the ratio of house prices to rents, which has been shown to provide a useful benchmark for valuing housing in other countries. The price-rent ratio in Ireland has soared over recent years and at 29 now stands roughly 2.5 times above its level in 1996. Irish house prices have surged 300 per cent over the past decade, while increases in rents have been relatively muted. Price-rent ratios at these levels raise legitimate concerns about the sustainability of Irish house prices.

The Fed study shows that certain financial conditions, such as low interest rates and financial deregulation, are usually factors in past house price surges, though other features, such as demographics and buoyant income growth, also help explain these booms.

Typically, house prices peak not long after central banks begin raising interest rates in response to emerging inflation pressures. Subsequently, house prices fall for about five years, on average, and their previous gains are largely reversed. In other words, the larger the boom, the greater the bust. Not surprisingly, the downward correction in house prices is usually accompanied by an economic downturn, rising unemployment, and deteriorating fiscal balances.

Interestingly, the latest rise in house prices in industrial countries has been the most dramatic on record. House prices in recent years have risen at a rapid pace, not just in Ireland, but in Australia, Spain, Britain and the United States. If the current episodes follow the typical patterns seen in the past, house prices will eventually slow in these countries, some of which could endure a period of flat or even falling prices in the future.

Central bankers don't agree on how best to respond to booms in house prices.

The Fed's Alan Greenspan prefers a hands-off approach, arguing that central banks do not have weapons in their arsenals that can burst bubbles without doing undue harm to the wider economy.

Other central bankers, such as the Bank of England's Mervyn King, appear more willing to tighten monetary policy to try to stem current and future surges in house prices.

When house price booms turn into busts, however, there seems to be no disagreement on how to respond. The evidence shows that in the aftermath of house price peaks, when house prices are falling, central banks cut interest rates quickly and sharply.

Importantly, the aim of the interest rate cuts is not to reverse the declines in house prices per se - as mentioned earlier, following a pronounced run-up, prices tend to fall a long way.

Rather, the goal is to cushion both economic activity and the financial system from the effect of the house price crash. Lower interest rates deliver a shot in the arm for debt-laden households and businesses and help offset the drag on the economy from declines in house building, employment in the construction industry and household sentiment.

Moreover, lower interest rates and downward revisions to expectations for future economic growth cause the country's currency to depreciate on foreign exchange markets, which helps boost exports. This channel is especially important for small open economies.

For example, following the bursting of real estate bubbles in the Scandinavian countries in the late 1980s, improvements in competitiveness as a result of currency depreciation appear to have been an important element in eventually bringing about recoveries in these economies.

The evidence also shows that the recession that follows a crash in house prices usually lasts about a year. The economy then starts to recover as the supporting effects of looser monetary policy kick in, though it can take up to five years for economic growth to return to its pre-peak pace.

In summary, in the face of an adverse shock to the property market, the trick seems to be to let prices - interest rates, exchange rates and house prices - do the downward adjusting, so that quantities - output and employment - don't have to.

What can we infer from all this about the Irish economy's capacity to withstand a bust in house prices? The answer seems to be that Ireland is rather vulnerable.

One implication of Ireland's having adopted the euro as our currency is that interest rates here no longer respond to domestic economic conditions.

Eurozone interest rates are set by the European Central Bank, and the ECB cares only about the euro area as a whole, not about individual member countries.

As Ireland accounts for only a negligible part of the eurozone's activity and inflation, the ECB pays little attention to us. Similarly, the foreign exchange value of the euro is not affected by developments in Ireland.

So if Irish house prices crash, we can't respond in the traditional manner by cutting interest rates and letting our currency depreciate. Monetary policy didn't tighten during the boom and won't loosen during the bust, soother prices will have to do the heavy lifting if we are to avoid an especially nasty outcome.

Moreover, increases in construction of houses have been a key contributor to overall growth in the Irish economy of late.

In fact, one can imagine a scenario in which global interest rates spike up from historically low levels at present, bursting housing bubbles in countries that have experienced sharp run-ups over recent years. The Bank of England and the Fed respond in the usual way by slashing interest rates, and sterling and the dollar would both plunge. But falling house prices in Ireland (and perhaps in Spain) would not elicit a response from the ECB.

Ireland would then face a perfect storm of falling house prices, rising interest rates and debt-servicing costs, and the euro appreciating against the currencies of our two largest trading partners, Britain and the US.

The best strategy would obviously be to make sure that a bubble doesn't inflate here and that households don't take on more debt then they can handle, though some observers might claim that the authorities are behind the curve in both these respects.

In the event that Irish house prices do fall, economic flexibility will be crucial in containing any fallout.

In this regard, some lessons can be drawn from Hong Kong's experience in the late 1990s.Hong Kong's currency board arrangement means that the authorities there have essentially no control over domestic interest rates or the exchange rate. When property prices collapsed in 1997 and 1998, it was sustained declines in nominal wages that eventually restored the economy's competitiveness. But declines in nominal wages are rarely seen in industrial countries, and are usually vigorously opposed by trade unions. Whether the wage-formation process in Ireland is up to the task of rebalancing the Irish economy in the aftermath of a property crash is very much an open question.

Tax cuts and increases in government spending would also help to revive the economy following a house price bust, though the effectiveness of such measures is blunted by the openness of the Irish economy.

One thing is for sure: if house prices crash here, the much-vaunted flexibility of the Irish economy and the innovativeness of Irish policy makers will be sorely tested.

Alan Ahearne was a senior economist at the Federal Reserve Board in Washington DC from 1998 to June 2005.

He currently lectures in economics at the JE Cairnes Graduate School of Business & Public Policy at NUI Galway and is a research fellow at Bruegel, a Brussels-based economics think-tank.
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Very interesting. The final third is quite prophetic.
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In fact things have turned out to be much worse than supposed here, as an international bruiser of a recession came along at the same time. Nominal wages have declined some 13%, and interest rates are rock bottom, which is more than you would have expected, but the problem hasn't gone away.
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In fact things have turned out to be much worse than supposed here, as an international bruiser of a recession came along at the same time. Nominal wages have declined some 13%, and interest rates are rock bottom, which is more than you would have expected, but the problem hasn't gone away.
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So if Irish house prices crash, we can't respond in the traditional manner by cutting interest rates and letting our currency depreciate. Monetary policy didn't tighten during the boom and won't loosen during the bust, soother prices will have to do the heavy lifting if we are to avoid an especially nasty outcome.
Perhaps we have a different interpretation of nasty outcome? Anyway, I'm not standing up for this piece, just thought you lot would like it.
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Perhaps we have a different interpretation of nasty outcome? Anyway, I'm not standing up for this piece, just thought you lot would like it.
Alan Ahearne should have stayed in Academia.

He is now in the process of ruining the country and his reputation in due course.

But then again these Aherns seem to be delusional types.

One Ahern got us into this problem and another is going to get us out of it. I think not.

David McWilliams is calling it right at the moment. The Bank guarantee must not be renewed and Anglo must be allowed to collapse.

We cannot afford to rescue Anglo at a cost to the taxpayer of €22 billion.

NAMA interest repayments alone on loans to support bad loans are adding €4 billion to out budget deficit annually.

We need an Election now before we are totally screwed by the fixers in Fianna Fail.
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McWilliams.

Heh.
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McWilliams.

Heh.
That was my position too but did you see him on Tonight on Monday and Primetime last night (Tuesday)?

He now seems totally rational. No more Popes Children or Deckland. He now seems to realise the dire situation that we are in and he is asking some hard questions of the current regime who haven't a notion of what they are doing.
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Alan Ahearne should have stayed in Academia.

He is now in the process of ruining the country and his reputation in due course.

But then again these Aherns seem to be delusional types.

One Ahern got us into this problem and another is going to get us out of it. I think not.

David McWilliams is calling it right at the moment. The Bank guarantee must not be renewed and Anglo must be allowed to collapse.

We cannot afford to rescue Anglo at a cost to the taxpayer of €22 billion.

NAMA interest repayments alone on loans to support bad loans are adding €4 billion to out budget deficit annually.

We need an Election now before we are totally screwed by the fixers in Fianna Fail.
One correction to this, as stated by Alan Dukes, we are not even sure that 22 billion will be the final cost.

The government and NAMAers may claim that the NAMA amounts are not adding to our debt partially due to some fancy off balance sheet maneouvers and also claims that we are buying viable loans (anyone listen to Mick Wallace on this point this morning ?), but the bank recapitalisation sure as hell is.

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McWilliams.

Heh.
You, like a lot of economists or would be economists, may not like the guy because he breaks it down into very basic level for the normal punter and adds labels to to describe social or economic groups, or agree with his stance on leaving the Euro, but you can't deny he has spoken a lot of truth during the last 10 years.

Please tell us would you rather listen to a bank's economist speaking in pure economists parlance all the while telling us sh**e or McWilliams using his quasi journo speak telling you what is damm well nearer the truth ?
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Please tell us would you rather listen to a bank's economist speaking in pure economists parlance all the while telling us sh**e or McWilliams using his quasi journo speak telling you what is damm well nearer the truth ?
I would rather not listen to false dichotomies.
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Alan Ahearne should have stayed in Academia.
He is now in the process of ruining the country and his reputation in due course.
But then again these Aherns seem to be delusional types.
One Ahern got us into this problem and another is going to get us out of it. I think not.
He gave a lecture in UL on the 8th of April 2010 about "Irelands Economic Crises and its implications for the Labour Market.

Even though I was dreading the lecture I will say that what he said made sense and I came out of it with a sense of optimism. Personally I think its a god job he got out of academia (although if he was lecturing it would be amazing as well) and put his talents to good use.

He knows what he's talking about... I think he has us on the right track for recovery.. maybe I'm wrong but with what the other economists are saying... Leave the Euro, create a new bank, demolish our banking sector by letting a bank go bust...

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He gave a lecture in UL on the 18th of April about "Irelands Economic Crises and its implications for the Labour Market.

Even though I was dreading the lecture I will say that what he said made sense and I came out of it with a sense of optimism. Personally I think its a god job he got out of academia (although if he was lecturing it would be amazing as well) and put his talents to good use.

He knows what he's talking about... I think he has us on the right track for recovery.. maybe I'm wrong but with what the other economists are saying... Leave the Euro, create a new bank, demolish our banking sector by letting a bank go bust...
It was OK to be optimistic in April 2009.

What about all the revelations we have had since?

I am afraid it is now time that we realised that we are being burdened with unnecessary liabilities by the political cronies of financial hoods.
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It was OK to be optimistic in April 2009.

What about all the revelations we have had since?

I am afraid it is now time that we realised that we are being burdened with unnecessary liabilities by the political cronies of financial hoods.
Sorry I got the date wrong it was the 8th April 2010... my bad
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Very interesting. The final third is quite prophetic.
Alan Ahern's "predictions":

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In the event that Irish house prices do fall, economic flexibility will be crucial in containing any fallout.

In this regard, some lessons can be drawn from Hong Kong's experience in the late 1990s.Hong Kong's currency board arrangement means that the authorities there have essentially no control over domestic interest rates or the exchange rate. When property prices collapsed in 1997 and 1998, it was sustained declines in nominal wages that eventually restored the economy's competitiveness. But declines in nominal wages are rarely seen in industrial countries, and are usually vigorously opposed by trade unions. Whether the wage-formation process in Ireland is up to the task of rebalancing the Irish economy in the aftermath of a property crash is very much an open question.

Tax cuts and increases in government spending would also help to revive the economy following a house price bust, though the effectiveness of such measures is blunted by the openness of the Irish economy.

One thing is for sure: if house prices crash here, the much-vaunted flexibility of the Irish economy and the innovativeness of Irish policy makers will be sorely tested.
What has actually happened:

1.Decline in nominal wages. Yes.

2.Tax cuts and increased Government spending.

Tax cuts? No!

Increased Government spending? No!

It is not relevant to consider the money "invested" in bailing out our banking system as increased Government spending.

3.Policy makers sorely tested. Yes.

Alan Ahearne was praised for his wishy washy Economist-speak article on the Irish property market bust possibility.

He is the policy maker in the Department of Finance that has presided over eighteen months of the total disaster that has been the last two years of Government.

The man does not seem to be following his own advice. His experience at the US Fed is no comfort when we observe how the Fed is in the process of destroying the US dollar and all fiat currencies in due course.
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