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25-08-2010, 14:11   #1
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Best combo sat/DTT box

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I currently have sky+ and the contract is nearly up. I want to change to FTA/Freesat. Also I am going to connect DTT so I am looking for a good combo box.

I have a few questions that I cant figure out;
Is it possible to get a Freesat combo box that works with DTT?
Do I need to have the 2 satellite cables connected to the combo box if i want to record one sat channel and watch another?
Is it also possible to watch DTT and record another DTT channel with one cable from the one aerial?
If i want a 7 day EPG do I have to use Freesat?

My ideal box would be able to record DTT/sat and watch another DTT/sat channel. Have a 7 day EPG. Be able to have the same functions as sky+ ie pause live TV, record etc.... Also an important feature would be, a user friendly GUI again some thing like sky(for the girlfriend). Finally a few usb's for external hard drives.

Is there such a box? any help would be great as i am only a novice at this.
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25-08-2010, 15:41   #2
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You can get DTT/Sat combo boxes. The basic ones don't have built in hard disk (using external HDD which is unrelaible) and only one tuner of each. The €600 to €1000 boxes have HDD recording built in and 4 tuners (two each for DTT and Sat) so what you watching doesn't affect recording. They only have unofficial Freesat support.

If you want Official Freesat PVR and official Soarview PVR you need two separate boxes for now. (The Saorview official boxes not available yet as there is no service yet).

Satellite needs two cables from multi output LNB (i.e. Quad). Terrestrial only needs one cable for two tuners.

There can be issues of recording duration and reliability on USB external drives compared to internal HDD.

The "ideal" single combo box doesn't exist yet, very small market. You can have two perfect boxes for less than price of top of range combo, or have a cheap box with USB HDD, only one of each tuner that may not have 7 day EPG. Because of Saorsat it's likely there will never be any worthwhile market for proper Freesat \Saorview Sat\DTT combo, even without PVR.

See http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showt...7#post67657187 for issues regarding Irish DTT / Saorview boxes.
see http://www.techtir.ie/saortv for overview (I'll be adding PVR article).
See http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=56 various threads for combo DTT/Sat and tread carefully.

If you get a Freesat HD PVR, then when Saorsat is available (maybe mid 2011) a single box will do all.
see http://www.techtir.ie/watty/saortv links to many boards posts.

It really looks like RTE NL and The Minister are not "Officially" Launching Ireland's Digital service till after Saorsat is available, and TV3 may not be on it till then. That is Q2 2011 at earliest (RTE quote, happens to be date for Saorsat) and December 2011 at latest (The Minister).

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You can get DTT/Sat combo boxes. The basic ones don't have built in hard disk (using external HDD which is unrelaible) and only one tuner of each. The €600 to €1000 boxes have HDD recording built in and 4 tuners (two each for DTT and Sat) so what you watching doesn't affect recording. They only have unofficial Freesat support.

If you want Official Freesat PVR and official Soarview PVR you need two separate boxes for now. (The Saorview official boxes not available yet as there is no service yet).

Satellite needs two cables from multi output LNB (i.e. Quad). Terrestrial only needs one cable for two tuners.

There can be issues of recording duration and reliability on USB external drives compared to internal HDD.

The "ideal" single combo box doesn't exist yet, very small market. You can have two perfect boxes for less than price of top of range combo, or have a cheap box with USB HDD, only one of each tuner that may not have 7 day EPG.
the HUMAX HD FREEVIEW box with pvr you will have to buy from uk shop around the best price
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the HUMAX HD FREEVIEW box with pvr you will have to buy from uk shop around the best price
its not a combo!
it is the most popular freesat box here though.
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the HUMAX HD FREEVIEW box with pvr you will have to buy from uk shop around the best price
You don't happen to sell cakes and install gates in the Wexford area do you?
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[QUOTE=coffee to go;67661219]You don't happen to sell cakes and install gates in the Wexford area do you? [/QUOTE NO my motto is keep it simply two box one for sat and other rte digital can recording on all your thinking of technomate TM-7100 triple tuner with internal hard drive its not that easy to work and you do need some tec skill and when you wanted to burn some thing in HD on to blu-ray or dvd the tpr files need converison ,keep it simply
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[QUOTE=coffee to go;67661219]You don't happen to sell cakes and install gates in the Wexford area do you? [/QUOTE NO my motto is keep it simply two box one for sat and other rte digital can recording on all your thinking of technomate TM-7100 triple tuner with internal hard drive its not that easy to work and you do need some tec skill and when you wanted to burn some thing in HD on to blu-ray or dvd the tpr files need converison ,keep it simply
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I think really if you want Freesat a combo box is not needed since the announcement on 14th August 2011.
Thoughts here.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showp...7&postcount=25
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http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showp...2&postcount=29
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I think really if you want Freesat a combo box is not needed since the announcement on 14th August 2011.
Thoughts here.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showp...7&postcount=25
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http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showp...2&postcount=29
Correct me if i am wrong, so there is no point in getting a Combo now as the DTT is still in TEST MODE and will be turned off at anytime when testing is finished. It will then be turned on when DTT is officially launched by RTE.
When this happens DTT receivers will be dirt cheap and this will drive down the cost of the combos.
So for now just get a cheap free sat receiver...

If i do get a combo like this one what will happen when DTT is rolled out?

edit: Forgot to say; Thank you Watty for all the links and info.
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And when all the service is full public launched, you will be able to have Soarsat & Freesat on one DVB-s2 HD receiver... (Dual feed dish or two dishes needed, but a Saorsat dish need not look like a dish and will be very small).

So I think by end of 2011 there is no market for a combo.

I don't think a good combo will ever be as cheap as Sat box only.
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I don't think a good combo will ever be as cheap as Sat box only.
Would the difference be more than a cost of second dish, particularly if you'd be getting a pro in to do it, if you can get DTT on an existing aerial?

My main issue would be the lack of full epg with the current combo's and FTA receivers. I didn't think I'd miss it on the UK channels, but it wrecked my head more than multiple remotes!

However, and to contradict myself, if the Freesat PVR's can be shown to work ok combining the SaorSat channels as nonfreesat channels I may well go that route - the freesat epg more important than the saorsat/ saorview epg to us.
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A Saorsat dish will be small and need not be mounted as high up as elevation is better.
If your Sky/Freesat dish is solid and 70cm to 90cm, it may be possible to fit a 2nd feed.

The difference of a cheap single sat + single DTT combo with no Irish EPG, and possibly no Freesat EPG is cheaper than a 2nd dish. A really good 4 tuner combo PVR will likely be over €800, much more expensive than a Freesat HD PVR + second dish. There may never ever be a proper Freesat + Saorview combo. Even in UK the market for a Combo HD PVR is miniscule.

Since it's likely full public launch of Saorview / DTT is not till after Saorsat is available, it's unlikey any major manufacturer is motivated to bring out a proper 4 tuner PVR combo for Irish Market with Saorview + Freesat.

Anyone getting Freesat installed from scratch or Saorsat from scratch (no existing dish) will be able to have dual feed for little extra cost.

Also Saorsat doesn't need Quad or Octo LNBs. The signal from single output Ka LNBF can be simply split (perhaps 4 boxes on short feed cable or two boxes / dual tuner on long feed before having to fit a cheap booster amp for splitters). All that's needed is a Diseqc switch at the dish for each setbox coax (or a multiswitch for up to 16 tuners).
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if you are technically savvy, you could try a home theatre PC. It needs a decent cpu, a good graphics card and dual DTT/SAT cards. Most use Ubuntu (linux) with mythtv or Windows Media Centre on Windows 7 (avoid Vista).

Most importantly, keep a note of costs and technical problems (and the solutions) and post it all here!

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27-08-2010, 13:26   #14
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i know this is probably the wrong place but does anyone know of a saorview + freesat combo box with the added functionality of sky player? looking for a replacement to yet another sky multiroom subscription

and i think the box your looking for is this >>> http://www.saortv.com/shop/Digital-T...r/prod_72.html

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No such thing as a fresat combo box and exteremly unlikely there every will be. Best you can do is the current Free to air satellite and DTT combos
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