I agrees some of the densities out here may have been driven by Celtic Tiger mentality but in that respect the downturn may actually give time to step back and rethink the strategy. There is a lot of undeveloped land here and there is anecdotally still a “shortage” of traditional housing near the city so maybe some of the densities will be reconsidered in the coming years. At 6 miles from town (I’ve clocked it to the junction of Parnell & Gardiner St.) and a 17min DART ride away you could still consider Clongriffin relatively close to town. But for high densities and commercial development, maybe that is a bit optimistic.
Here’s where I disagree with Elle and people who think Clongriffin and the Northern Fringe will be another “ghetto” and another failed experiment in urban planning. Despite what some may think, what is built so far is actually largely occupied. In Clongriffin anyway practically all of the earlier releases were sold and the latter are either sold or for the most part rented. There is not that many empty units in Clongriffin itself. And in these units are a hell of a lot of people who bought in boom time. Some may have always intended to stay, some may have seen it a stepping stone to another area or larger home. But what most now realize is that that won’t be happening for quite some time thanks to negative equity. So perversely, this NE prison has engendered significant community spirit in the area as people realize, “hang on a minute, I may not have the option of moving on here if I don’t like it, so I better start making sure the place ends up being a nice place to live”. This realization has mobilized people in a very positive way, instead of wallowing in pity about how the mortgage won’t be paid off for half a lifetime. People are starting to see the area a home and this an important step towards developing community. Now, if we didn’t have the park and the DART to utilize we might be a little more cheesed off, but these 2 vital amenities are crucial to the place and give hope that when things turn it will attract more people and the place might actually get finished.
Also, another reason why I believe ghettoization won’t occur is because it is not an exclusively social estate of old. Without getting into what went wrong back in the day, Clongriffin and the Northern fringe is a mix of social units (as is any new estate due to part 5 legislation and they are managed excellently by bodies such as the Iveagh Trust) right up to houses that people paid €650k for… crazy I know but this was the madness of the times. So you have a quite a social mix here. It is not a hot-bed of unemployment or anything of the sort that can lead to problems that estates have experiences in the past. Judging by the amount of people still getting the bus and DART at rush our I’d say unemployment is well below the national average… this purely speculative of course… I have no stats whatsoever.
And regarding Elle’s family’s experience… I’d be surprised if this wasn’t a private rental either directly or via social welfare. And as she said drug dealers can end up residing anywhere. It’s about how you deal with them. As in the case of Warren O’Connor… a terribly terrible tragedy, it was a direct physical confrontation which is NEVER recommended. It has to be done by the proper channels and anonymously. I am pretty sure this was a private rental and I know that due to a lapse in the enforcement of house rules by the directors of the management company at that time, this unit was not reprimanded for anti-social behavior that had already occurred previously. If I remember rightly the perpetrators were guests at that party and if that unit had been clamped down upon via pressure on them and their landlord in time, then that party would not have happened and that innocent man would still be alive.
That would me my thinking anyway… gotta stay positive… I’m going nowhere