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17-06-2010, 19:59   #1
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new sxs ... irish made!

As some of you know I collect guns with Irish provenance.
I just picked up a circa WW1 trulock bros shotgun (for a song!)
12 gauge 2 1/2 chambers nice blueing and case hardening.
I'd call it field grade
Tell me if you know anythign about the maker





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thats a lovely gun you got there.
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17-06-2010, 22:17   #3
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Well they had been around for a good while- THIS is from the 1884 Thoms Dublin trade directory...

Gun Makers.
Calderwood & Son, 14 Earl'street, north
Harris, George, 67 Bride street
Kavanagh,'William, and Son, 12 Dame street
McKenna, John, 5 Crampton quay
Orr, James, Bray
O'Sullivan, Wm. A. 11 Russell place
Parkinson, John, 17 Arran quay
Rigby, John, and Co. 24 Suffolk street
Trulock and Harris, 9 Dawson street
Trulock, Brothers, 13 Parliament'street
Weekos, Charles, and Co. 27 Essex quay
Wilson, James F. 92 Capel street

They also operated from a different address at some time, as retailers for Tranter's Revolvers - here is that address - Trulock Brothers. 11 Essex Bridge, Dublin.

They were still making shotguns in 1920, and seem to have been instrumental in the invetion or development of an interchangeable choke system - the so-called Trulock Choke.

Hope this helps some.

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trulock and harris in dublin also made shotguns ,i used one of them when i started out S/S of course .

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I’ve sometimes wondered about the relationship between Trulock Bros, Trulock & Son and Trulock & Harris.
A firm named Trulock & Son were in Dawson Street from the early 1800’s. In 1862 they changed their name to Trulock & Harris and also were the firm that bought Rigby’s business when he moved to London in the 1860’s.
The current Trulock & Harris in the UK has nothing to do with the old firm, they just use the name.
Anybody know the connection (s)?
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As some of you know I collect guns with Irish provenance.
I just picked up a circa WW1 trulock bros shotgun (for a song!)
12 gauge 2 1/2 chambers nice blueing and case hardening.
I'd call it field grade
Tell me if you know anythign about the maker





William Trulock reportedly established his firm in 1814 in Britain Street, Dublin, Ireland. He may have previously lived and worked in London, but this has not been confirmed. An address at 11 Essex Bridge has been recorded but dates are unknown.
At some time, probably around 1820, the firm became Trulock & Son, and they moved to 9 Dawson Street.
In about 1840 William Trulock's son-in-law became a partner in the firm, and it was re-named Trulock & Harriss. It is almost certain that William Trulock had died and that his son of the same name and ? Harris inherited the business.
In about 1855 Samuel, Richard and William Trulock (sons of William (II)?) took over the firm and renamed it Trulock Brothers.
In 1863 the brothers together with John Gibson patented a drop-down barrel action.
In 1867 the brothers patented their "Lockfast" action (No. 1904) (see Dougall who also patented a "Lockfast" action).
From about 1875 to 1885 John Forrestall Smythe was Manager of the firm, he left to buy the business of Francis Brebner in Darlington.
In 1892 the firm took over the Dublin business of J Rigby & Son, soon after this date they moved to 13 Parliament Square, Dublin.
By 1900 it appears some of the the Trulock brothers had left or died, and Harriss' son and ? Richardson had become a partners, the name of the firm becoming Trulock, Harriss & Richardson.
In 1909 a shop was opened in London at 22 Bury Street, St James's. In 1911 the firm became a limited liability company, moving to 4 Pickering Place, St James's Street. In 1916 the company was put into liquidation and the business was taken over by a new firm named H Trulock Harriss. It was not recorded as trading after 1918.
Other InfoThe firm sold cartridges under their own name and under the names "Tru-iss" around the time they were located at Pickering Place.
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Not 100% sure how all this connects up but I have a feeling it does, there are some leaps of faith :

Thomas Truelock 1720 -1798, October 25
Gunmaker and Sherriff to Lord Mayor of Dublin, Henry Hart (1774/5)
Alderman of Dublin (Elected August 6, 1792)


Thomas Truelock 1741 1830, Gunmaker
College Green, Dublin (1762-71), Old Church Street, Dublin (1787), Barrack Street, Dublin (1789-1821), 22 Suffolk Street, Dublin (1796), Dame Street, Dublin

Willliam Trulock's gunmaking business was called 'William Truelock & Son', Upon his death, it was taken over by his wife Elizabeth. After several years the name was changed and the business became known as 'E. Truelock and Son' (1843),
William left the sum of £1,384 to his wife, Elizabeth. George Trulock took over the business in 1853.

Joseph Harriss married Elizabeth Trulock in 1846 and went into partnership with his brother-in-law George Trulock. The business, formerly known as 'E. Trulock and Son', became henceforth known as 'Trulock and Harriss'.
Then, in 1898, Richardson, a gunmaker from Cork joined and the company became known as 'Trulock Harriss and Richardson'.

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harmoniums,

Nice gun, looks to be in great condition, do you shoot it ?. Any chance of a few photos of the barrel flats and the water table.


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A very nice restocked true sidelock ejector for sale.



http://www.guntrader.co.uk/GunsForSale/090403131659001
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Wonder where it's "sister" [no2] is??
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28-07-2010, 17:00   #11
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nice gun harmoniums , i wonder though was it actually made in dublin or is it a birmingham made gun sold unfinished to a company like trulock for final finish, name engraving etc, does it have any proof marks ? was there even an irish proof house operational in ireland back then ?
the history of irish gunmaking doesn't seem to be well recorded at all , for instance i never knew stephen grant the london maker served his apprenticeship with kavanagh of dublin before going to london to work with boss and co.

http://www.guntrader.co.uk/GunsForSale/100619111229000
http://www.guntrader.co.uk/GunsForSale/100628145320009
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No proof house in Ireland, the Birmingham gun quarter & London had proof houses.
It was a common practice for a gunmaker to source actions, locks barrels etc. and do the fit, finish and stocking in house. They all did it to some degree except maybe Boss.

The Gun Trade

It should be understood by any student of the gun trade, mid 19th century to mid 20th century, that the trade was not organized quite as the public thought.

With the exception of one or two of the most prestigious gun makers, guns were generally not 'made' by their vendors but by a host of small, highly skilled, anonymous gunmakers based principally in London and Birmingham. These largely unsung tradesmen could produce everything from a striker to a complete gun and supply the parts in any state from a rough forging to a fully finished gun complete with the vendors name and serial number. Furthermore, although some of the gun trade did specialize in a style or quality of gun, many could produce a product to any level of finish.

The secret behind this fantastic level of flexibility was that most individuals specialised in one skill or another, be it barrel work, actioning, stocking, engraving or whatever, and the gun passed from tradesman to tradesman having the various procedures undertaken by a whole series of experts.

The result was that virtually any gun in any bore, style and quality could be ordered within the trade.
http://www.jblanchdatabase.co.uk/technical.htm

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does anyone know anything about gunmaker george hinton of taunton ? i recently bought a boxlock by him , one of a pair .
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Hinton was a retailer and Charles Hellis absorbed Hinton. http://www.hellis.com/history.html
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yes i seen that double barrel , though hinton was a maker in his own right too , the name s.wright and sons is often seen in connection with hellis , hinton and churchills , as far as i can find out he and his business were still going in the 70's long after a lot of the other makers had folded , he operated in 98 bath street birmingham , which is slap bang in the heart of the gun quarter. i think he made the guns for a lot of other makers,
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