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**Pride Fighter** · 24-06-2010, 03:20

The Queen of the UK has been invited to visit Ireland and a state visit expected pretty soon. Personally I am opposed to this, the idea of monarchy and one person just as a result of genealogy and primogeniture being a ruler of a country is sickening to me as a democrat. I'd feel the same if it was the the Dutch Queen or any other hereditary ruler. Thoughts?

There is the link http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0623/politics.html

oppenheimer1 · 24-06-2010, 03:28

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Originally Posted by Pride Fighter

The Queen of the UK has been invited to visit Ireland and a state visit expected pretty soon. Personally I am opposed to this, the idea of monarchy and one person just as a result of genealogy and primogeniture being a ruler of a country is sickening to me as a democrat. I'd feel the same if it was the the Dutch Queen or any other hereditary ruler. Thoughts?

There is the link http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0623/politics.html

How the UK chooses their head of state is their problem, it is not for us to judge. If the Queen visits Ireland on an official visit as a representative of her country why wouldn't we welcome her.

imme · 24-06-2010, 03:29

Were you also opposed to the visits of other foreign Heads of State who happen to be monarchs?
Harald of Norway and Karl Gustav from Sweden and the like.

I don`t have a problem with it.

***sceptre*** · 24-06-2010, 03:44

I've very few objections to how another country picks their head of state as long as they don't indulge in eating people. They should at least get the same welcome as they extended to our head of state, which as I recall last time was pretty good and included tea, biscuits and probably crumpets - one of five or six meeting occasions in total, all of which have taken place in the UK as far as I recall.

Odds are good that there will be less union flag waving on the streets of Dublin compared with the last state visit by a UK head of state but that's progress and the temptation of 24-hour reality TV as an alternative. Protocol's the most important part of a state visit; I'm sure it'll probably be easier to protest for people that want to than it was when GW Bush came zipping through here and people seemed to dislike that one personally and at a level dislike of someone who drowns kittens for weekend fun. Beatrix from the Netherlands had by all accounts a good time when she visited here in 1990, Harald V of Norway was here four years ago and almost no-one noticed, ditto when Albert II from Belgium came for tea in 2007. Juan Carlos from Spain visited in 1986 and it was noteworthy, though I can't remember why (then again, southern Europeans are more tanned than we are so it was probably exotic).

Possibly best if we send someone other than Ronan O'Gara to shake hands with her as she gets off the plane though.

dan_d · 24-06-2010, 07:57

Why should you object to it? Unless she's going to be visiting your house and impacting on your daily routine, it's not a big deal. I doubt that many people will take any notice of it either. We've moved on. Dublin is constantly full of British people, and we're all happy to go shopping in London and up the North. Her position is a choice of the British people, and is nothing to do with us.

There's bigger things in life, to be honest.

FlutterinBantam · 24-06-2010, 08:02

Make the lady welcome, and show them that we have matured as a state, and are a confident people going forward.

jacaranda · 24-06-2010, 08:06

I agree. It's time we grew up as a country and stopped blaming "D'inglish" for everything. It is a great sign that this visit can be contemplated, so lets celebrate that and enjoy the friendship we have with our nearest neighbour.

mickstupp · 24-06-2010, 08:13

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Originally Posted by dan_d

Why should you object to it? Unless she's going to be visiting your house and impacting on your daily routine, it's not a big deal. I doubt that many people will take any notice of it either. We've moved on. Dublin is constantly full of British people, and we're all happy to go shopping in London and up the North. Her position is a choice of the British people, and is nothing to do with us.

There's bigger things in life, to be honest.

I think most of us have moved on, but I think unfortunately there's still plenty who refuse to. I can imagine someone chucking an egg, at the very least.

who the fug · 24-06-2010, 08:16

Will ye give her a Certificate of Irishness for free, as we can't afford to pay for one

johngalway · 24-06-2010, 09:26

I'd rather she stayed where she is.

Brendog · 24-06-2010, 09:37

She may apologise for some of the atrocities that England has put Ireland through. David Cameron apologised for bloody sunday, she might do the same.

Its not going to be safe at all!! alot of people will be seriously outraged. to be honest I cannot see her leaving the Aras once during her visit.

meditraitor · 24-06-2010, 10:02

Who cares if she comes, makes no difference to the Joe on the street as long as it doesnt cost the Taxpayer..

LikePlace · 24-06-2010, 10:08

She'll probably just end up getting locked in Temple Bar with Mary McAleese and buying a silly hat.

(Unashamed mockup of queen in hat at http://bit.ly/aXuHX4 )

**djpbarry** · 24-06-2010, 10:42

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David Cameron apologised for bloody sunday...

On behalf of the British people, which includes Lizzy.

ei.sdraob · 24-06-2010, 10:43

Hand her back the keys to the country, its trashed

24-06-2010, 03:20	#1
Pride Fighter Moderator Join Date: May 2007 Location: Dublin Posts: 5,518 Adverts \| Friends Mod: GAA	Queen Elizabeth II to visit Ireland. The Queen of the UK has been invited to visit Ireland and a state visit expected pretty soon. Personally I am opposed to this, the idea of monarchy and one person just as a result of genealogy and primogeniture being a ruler of a country is sickening to me as a democrat. I'd feel the same if it was the the Dutch Queen or any other hereditary ruler. Thoughts? There is the link http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0623/politics.html

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*sceptre* Administrator Join Date: May 2001 Location: Under a bridge in Limerick Posts: 19,052 Adverts \| Friends Admin: Help Desk, Judges' Chambers [Legal Issues], Literature, Politics, UL	I've very few objections to how another country picks their head of state as long as they don't indulge in eating people. They should at least get the same welcome as they extended to our head of state, which as I recall last time was pretty good and included tea, biscuits and probably crumpets - one of five or six meeting occasions in total, all of which have taken place in the UK as far as I recall. Odds are good that there will be less union flag waving on the streets of Dublin compared with the last state visit by a UK head of state but that's progress and the temptation of 24-hour reality TV as an alternative. Protocol's the most important part of a state visit; I'm sure it'll probably be easier to protest for people that want to than it was when GW Bush came zipping through here and people seemed to dislike that one personally and at a level dislike of someone who drowns kittens for weekend fun. Beatrix from the Netherlands had by all accounts a good time when she visited here in 1990, Harald V of Norway was here four years ago and almost no-one noticed, ditto when Albert II from Belgium came for tea in 2007. Juan Carlos from Spain visited in 1986 and it was noteworthy, though I can't remember why (then again, southern Europeans are more tanned than we are so it was probably exotic). Possibly best if we send someone other than Ronan O'Gara to shake hands with her as she gets off the plane though. Last edited by sceptre; 24-06-2010 at 03:57. Reason: aded "from Belgium". Lest we mix up all the Albert IIs, some of whom are still alive

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24-06-2010, 03:29	#3
imme Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,609 Adverts \| Friends	Were you also opposed to the visits of other foreign Heads of State who happen to be monarchs? Harald of Norway and Karl Gustav from Sweden and the like. I don`t have a problem with it.

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dan_d Closed Account Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,802 Adverts \| Friends	Why should you object to it? Unless she's going to be visiting your house and impacting on your daily routine, it's not a big deal. I doubt that many people will take any notice of it either. We've moved on. Dublin is constantly full of British people, and we're all happy to go shopping in London and up the North. Her position is a choice of the British people, and is nothing to do with us. There's bigger things in life, to be honest.

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FlutterinBantam Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Horsehead Nebula Posts: 12,190 Adverts \| Friends	Make the lady welcome, and show them that we have matured as a state, and are a confident people going forward.

24-06-2010, 08:06	#7
jacaranda Banned Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 214 Adverts \| Friends	I agree. It's time we grew up as a country and stopped blaming "D'inglish" for everything. It is a great sign that this visit can be contemplated, so lets celebrate that and enjoy the friendship we have with our nearest neighbour.

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who the fug Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Hackney/Islington just Cork Posts: 2,975 Adverts \| Friends	Will ye give her a Certificate of Irishness for free, as we can't afford to pay for one

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johngalway Closed Account Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 10,059 Adverts \| Friends	I'd rather she stayed where she is.

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Brendog Registered User Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Danger Zone Posts: 1,876 Adverts \| Friends	She may apologise for some of the atrocities that England has put Ireland through. David Cameron apologised for bloody sunday, she might do the same. Its not going to be safe at all!! alot of people will be seriously outraged. to be honest I cannot see her leaving the Aras once during her visit.

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meditraitor Closed Account Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 4,555 Adverts \| Friends	Who cares if she comes, makes no difference to the Joe on the street as long as it doesnt cost the Taxpayer..

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LikePlace Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Dublin Posts: 25 Adverts \| Friends	She'll probably just end up getting locked in Temple Bar with Mary McAleese and buying a silly hat. (Unashamed mockup of queen in hat at http://bit.ly/aXuHX4 )

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ei.sdraob Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 9,313 Adverts \| Friends	Hand her back the keys to the country, its trashed