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timmer3 · 06-08-2009, 19:24

i know this sounds a bit mad at first, but please bear with me, i'd be glad of a second opinion. my house has 4 independent chimneys in a poured concrete chimney breast. the 2 upstairs fireplaces i inteneded to seal off, the 2 downstairs are getting room-sealed stoves, with chimney liners. i will be installing HRV in the attic beside the chimney breast. i'm trying to be clever with the duct routes, and i had the idea of using the 2 retired chimneys as air supply vents from the HRV into the 2 upstairs bedrooms. chimneys were originally designed as exhaust vents and now since they are to be retired, why not convert them into fresh air supply vents? you could core drill into the 2 chimneys beside the HRV and run the duct down into the bedrooms. sealing off and insulating the chimney above the entry point. it sounds like a nice idea to have fresh air gently coming in from the fireplace.

the obvious concern is that somebody (say me, if i was sleepwalking or something?!) could forget and try to light a fire in the fireplace. but i would make sure to leave the vent outlet visible if you got down to look at the fireplace. and also since it would be blowing fresh air in to the room (not sucking the smoke/fire up into the HRV), any attempt at lighting a fire would quickly fail and smoke out the person and the room (i have mains-wired fire alarms in every room and in the attic). i could probably live with a discreet "no fires" safety sign in the fireplace or something. has this ever been done before?

i've considered contamination of the air from fumes from the stoves, but since they are in separate chimneys with sealed liners, i'd say no issue here.
also a potential issue of heat in the chimney breast melting the ventilation duct etc., but i could use flexible stainless steel. i know it's not ideal for air flow compared to a fixed duct but i still think it could work. any loss of heat due to the duct going down a cold chimney could be offset by the added warmth of the chimney when the stoves are lit.

any thoughts?

nick 56 · 07-08-2009, 14:11

What is HRV ?

timmer3 · 07-08-2009, 15:03

heat recovery ventilation. it's pretty much a requirement if you go for an air-tight house. otherwise you use the old-fashioned hole-in-the-wall vents and you lose all that heat. a HRV system recycles the heat from the exhaust air and transfers it to the incoming fresh air supply to the rooms.

CJhaughey · 07-08-2009, 18:12

1. I would say you will get an awful smell of soot from the air coming down the chimney.

2. You will have no control over what airflow enters the room, my HRV has individual valves that can be screwed open or closed to regulate the input of air into a room. With no valve all the air will tend to follow the path of least resistance, ie down the Chimney, not through the other input valves.

3. You are going to have to run ducting for all the other rooms in the house anyway so you might as well do it in one job, fecking around trying to coredrill and duct down a chimney sounds like more hassle than just running a vent off a supply through the ceiling.

timmer3 · 08-08-2009, 00:08

hi, thanks for the reply. maybe i didn't make it clear in the original post that i wasn't just going to let the air fall down the chimney. it will be a sealed duct with a valve at the end just the same as if it was installed in the ceiling.
#3 is a good point though, i was thinking it would save me some room space by reducing the number of ducts going through rooms, but it won't because it could just as easily sit in the ceiling as you point out, hadn't thought of that... maybe it is more trouble than it's worth.
thanks

06-08-2009, 19:24	#1
timmer3 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: dubbin Posts: 122 Adverts \| Friends	using unused chimney for HRV duct... i know this sounds a bit mad at first, but please bear with me, i'd be glad of a second opinion. my house has 4 independent chimneys in a poured concrete chimney breast. the 2 upstairs fireplaces i inteneded to seal off, the 2 downstairs are getting room-sealed stoves, with chimney liners. i will be installing HRV in the attic beside the chimney breast. i'm trying to be clever with the duct routes, and i had the idea of using the 2 retired chimneys as air supply vents from the HRV into the 2 upstairs bedrooms. chimneys were originally designed as exhaust vents and now since they are to be retired, why not convert them into fresh air supply vents? you could core drill into the 2 chimneys beside the HRV and run the duct down into the bedrooms. sealing off and insulating the chimney above the entry point. it sounds like a nice idea to have fresh air gently coming in from the fireplace. the obvious concern is that somebody (say me, if i was sleepwalking or something?!) could forget and try to light a fire in the fireplace. but i would make sure to leave the vent outlet visible if you got down to look at the fireplace. and also since it would be blowing fresh air in to the room (not sucking the smoke/fire up into the HRV), any attempt at lighting a fire would quickly fail and smoke out the person and the room (i have mains-wired fire alarms in every room and in the attic). i could probably live with a discreet "no fires" safety sign in the fireplace or something. has this ever been done before? i've considered contamination of the air from fumes from the stoves, but since they are in separate chimneys with sealed liners, i'd say no issue here. also a potential issue of heat in the chimney breast melting the ventilation duct etc., but i could use flexible stainless steel. i know it's not ideal for air flow compared to a fixed duct but i still think it could work. any loss of heat due to the duct going down a cold chimney could be offset by the added warmth of the chimney when the stoves are lit. any thoughts?

07-08-2009, 14:11	#2
nick 56 Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: dublin Posts: 75 Adverts \| Friends	HRV ? What is HRV ?

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07-08-2009, 15:03	#3
timmer3 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: dubbin Posts: 122 Adverts \| Friends	heat recovery ventilation. it's pretty much a requirement if you go for an air-tight house. otherwise you use the old-fashioned hole-in-the-wall vents and you lose all that heat. a HRV system recycles the heat from the exhaust air and transfers it to the incoming fresh air supply to the rooms.

07-08-2009, 18:12	#4
CJhaughey Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,631 Adverts \| Friends	1. I would say you will get an awful smell of soot from the air coming down the chimney. 2. You will have no control over what airflow enters the room, my HRV has individual valves that can be screwed open or closed to regulate the input of air into a room. With no valve all the air will tend to follow the path of least resistance, ie down the Chimney, not through the other input valves. 3. You are going to have to run ducting for all the other rooms in the house anyway so you might as well do it in one job, fecking around trying to coredrill and duct down a chimney sounds like more hassle than just running a vent off a supply through the ceiling.

08-08-2009, 00:08	#5
timmer3 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: dubbin Posts: 122 Adverts \| Friends	hi, thanks for the reply. maybe i didn't make it clear in the original post that i wasn't just going to let the air fall down the chimney. it will be a sealed duct with a valve at the end just the same as if it was installed in the ceiling. #3 is a good point though, i was thinking it would save me some room space by reducing the number of ducts going through rooms, but it won't because it could just as easily sit in the ceiling as you point out, hadn't thought of that... maybe it is more trouble than it's worth. thanks