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Deadlifts are ripping my hands apart
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What's going on? I'm scared.0
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You could never say gloves help someone deadlift more.Grip is not friction, which gloves might help with.
John Brookfield has written a lot on grip strength, and he favours the use of ropes and materials which are compressible. Maybe it is the compressibility added to the bar that makes it easier for me. I sometimes wrap my dumbbell with a small towel, being compressible allows me to really grip tight and focus more on the fact I am gripping it. It also thickens the bar and I find it easier to press a thicker bar, some other poster mentioned this too recently. I deadlifted on a different bar in a gym yesterday and found it slightly easier as it was thicker than my bar at home.0 -
If wearing pink panties increased your reps or lifting ability by 10-15% I expect at least some people would wear them, and not give a sh!te what others think or say. I can see more reason for people to be against using lifting straps than gloves.
I think his point is that gloves DON'T actually help you lift any more - the only thing they actually do was stop you getting calluses, and if you are more concerned about protecting your frshly manicured hands than lifting heavy, than you should treat yourself to a nice purse! Or something to that effect (his opinion, not necessarily mine).
Personally, i used to use gloves, but found that my grip strength never actually got any better while wearing them, and struggled to up the weight on deadlifts. I ditched them, grew some calluses, and now have no problems with the grip. its the weights on the end of the bar that are killing me!0 -
I think his point is that gloves DON'T actually help you lift any more - the only thing they actually do was stop you getting calluses, and if you are more concerned about protecting your frshly manicured hands than lifting heavy, than you should treat yourself to a nice purse! Or something to that effect (his opinion, not necessarily mine).
Utter nonsense. When i started deadlifting the callouses tore a lot, if i didn't bother using gloves those tears would never heal and in turn effect the amount i can lift.
Tired of the macho rent-a-quote bull**** that is attached to weightlifting.0 -
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I can certainly do more overhead presses with gloves. And more pullups since my bar is smooth. I deadlift with chalk.
Yes, and so if they do help I don't see the big problem. I am not too concerned about how they improve my ability, i.e. is it grip, friction, comfort etc. All that matters to me is they DO work for me so I will continue to wear them.0 -
I don't really understand what you mean. Are you saying that you don't care if your grip isn't aligned with your deadlift weight,
I only use chalk on deadlifts. I do not consider my grip to be a weak point, in fact I train quite a lot I would say my grip would be stronger than most at a similar strength level to me in other lifts. I use hand grippers several times a week, and do isometric closed holds with them.you think gloves are training your grip?
e.g. if I do pullups I know gripping the bar tight will improve my performance, I can do 15 deadhang rope pullups, and probably the same number of regular pullups. I expect many would find the rope pullups harder, but for me the fact I am forced into gripping the rope so tightly seems to tension my whole upperbody which in turn seems to give me more power. After rope pullups my hands and fingers are in agony, I can barely open my hand for a minute or so, and my forearm veins are very prominent. There is no way I could just grip a bit of free rope with such intensity, I just mentally could not do it. I also think if I could grip the bar with such intensity for normal pullups then my reps would go up too.
The towel on the dumbbell might also be forcing me to grip extra hard which seems to deliver me more power, I also sometimes do one arm presses with a gripper in my free hand, which also seems to give me more power.0 -
slicus ricus wrote: »You can get liquid chalk in some of the camping shops, there one (cant remember the name) beside tkmaxx in the blanchardstown shopping centre. It costs €11 and will last a good while. Works very well for deadlifting and any other exercise where grip is important. For me, chalk is a must when deadlifting.
Are you serious, ragg, that some gyms don't allow chalk??:eek:
the shop is called 53 degrees north0 -
Utter nonsense. When i started deadlifting the callouses tore a lot, if i didn't bother using gloves those tears would never heal and in turn effect the amount i can lift.
Tired of the macho rent-a-quote bull**** that is attached to weightlifting.
You're not actually disproving his point there - you used the gloves only to prevent calluses/callus tears, but it doesn't actually improve you're grip strength at all.
My guess is that if you ditched the gloves, then after you had built up a bit of thick skin at the base of you're fingers, callus formation would reduce significantly and you would build up grip strength. Just like first few times you walk around bare foot you get your feet torn to shreds, but if you come from someplace where shoes don't yet exist, you pretty quickly get thick skin on you're feet and can hack it no problem.
Now, Ripp does actually state that if you're calluses are torn so badly that its either train with gloves or don't train, go with the gloves, but only in those limited circumstances.
I also meant to add to the above post that its not that he is against aids when lifting, and i am sure he would endorse gloves if they actually worked. He just doesn't think they do. He does endorse chalk - in fact, he insists upon it, on the basis that it dries out the skin as stated above which helps prevent against said calluses. But more importantly, he endorses a proper grip, with bar as close to the base of the fingers as possible, to prevent the bar pinching the skin and damaging it.0 -
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You're not actually disproving his point there - you used the gloves only to prevent calluses/callus tears, but it doesn't actually improve you're grip strength at all.
My grip strength is fine at the moment it hasn't failed me so far. The tears in the skin were becoming too much of a problem once i went above 110kg and started taking too long to heal. time that i would rather spend lifting. I didn't mention gloves improving grip. I mean they stop my hands from tearing which enables me to keep lifting.My guess is that if you ditched the gloves, then after you had built up a bit of thick skin at the base of you're fingers, callus formation would reduce significantly and you would build up grip strength. Just like first few times you walk around bare foot you get your feet torn to shreds, but if you come from someplace where shoes don't yet exist, you pretty quickly get thick skin on you're feet and can hack it no problem.
I understand what you are saying and yes the skin on my hands are thickening up even with the gloves on due to the weight. They are thickening without tears and once they can withstand over a 100kg with multiply reps without my skin hanging off i will ditch them.Now, Ripp does actually state that if you're calluses are torn so badly that its either train with gloves or don't train, go with the gloves, but only in those limited circumstances.
I also meant to add to the above post that its not that he is against aids when lifting, and i am sure he would endorse gloves if they actually worked. He just doesn't think they do. He does endorse chalk - in fact, he insists upon it, on the basis that it dries out the skin as stated above which helps prevent against said calluses. But more importantly, he endorses a proper grip, with bar as close to the base of the fingers as possible, to prevent the bar pinching the skin and damaging it.
But it work's for me and a few others at the moment. No doubt i will end up ditching them in the long run while the skin hardens but for the time being im not letting my hands get in the state they got in first time deadlifting heavy.0 -
But it work's for me and a few others at the moment. No doubt i will end up ditching them in the long run while the skin hardens but for the time being im not letting my hands get in the state they got in first time deadlifting heavy.
But it's not working. Your hands are going to get the shock of your life when you ditch the gloves and they are going to tear even worse because chances are you're going to be deadlifting more weight than you were when you originally adopted gloves. If you'd just let your hands heal and harden back when you started you'd be over it now.
If you decide to use gloves to deadlift there are either going to be two options:
1). You eventually get to the point where you miss deadlifts because you keep dropping the bar rather than fail to lock it out and you settle for this being the case in all your future deadlifts.
2). You eventually get to the point where you miss deadlifts because you keep dropping the bar rather than fail to lock it out and you ditch the gloves and your sub 100kg soft hands get torn to shreds by the new bigger weight.
It's not "utter nonsense" nor is it "macho". I'm not going to recommend a beginner do something deadlifting that is just to make his balls swell. I'm not slagging off gloves so we can all stand around high fiving each other about how tough we are, using gloves when deadlifting makes no sense.0 -
My grip strength is fine at the moment it hasn't failed me so far. The tears in the skin were becoming too much of a problem once i went above 110kg and started taking too long to heal. time that i would rather spend lifting. I didn't mention gloves improving grip. I mean they stop my hands from tearing which enables me to keep lifting.
I understand what you are saying and yes the skin on my hands are thickening up even with the gloves on due to the weight. They are thickening without tears and once they can withstand over a 100kg with multiply reps without my skin hanging off i will ditch them.
I don't think you will ever get to that point while wearing gloves - your hands will only adapt to the conditions you train them in, so they will only get as tough as they need to under the gloves.
When you do switch, you will get your hands cut up a bit, but are you not better to do it as soon as possible, when the weights are low, than waiting till you're lifting huge weights when it will be a lot worse.
Don't take my word for it - i know jack **** about this stuff. But the fact that i managed to quote Rippetoe and still get Kevpants to agree with me means i must be right this time:D:!!!!!!!0 -
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Funnily enough, I have never had a callous cut either. I used to wear gloves for all my training back in the day but ditched them after a while. I probably wouldn't be putting myself in the firing line as much as the crossfit guys in terms of callous tears though.
For deadlifting, I think chalk is defo the way to go due to its anti-persperant qualities. Definately enables you to get the most from your grip.
What are peoples opinions on wraps for deadlifting when you start lifting heavier. Are they worthwhile or just counterproductive? Should they be used in the same manner as a belt (i.e. when you put a certain amount of weight on the bar, should you use them)?0 -
But it's not working. Your hands are going to get the shock of your life when you ditch the gloves and they are going to tear even worse because chances are you're going to be deadlifting more weight than you were when you originally adopted gloves. If you'd just let your hands heal and harden back when you started you'd be over it now.
They are hardening without a doubt because i tried a rep the other day without them, it burned like **** but no tear. im still getting callouses without tears. By the end of the month the gloves will be gone.If you decide to use gloves to deadlift there are either going to be two options:
1). You eventually get to the point where you miss deadlifts because you keep dropping the bar rather than fail to lock it out and you settle for this being the case in all your future deadlifts.
But the only time i dropped the bar was with a double overhand grip, haven't once dropped it since changing to over & under2). You eventually get to the point where you miss deadlifts because you keep dropping the bar rather than fail to lock it out and you ditch the gloves and your sub 100kg soft hands get torn to shreds by the new bigger weight.
When that point comes along they will be hardened already.It's not "utter nonsense" nor is it "macho". I'm not going to recommend a beginner do something deadlifting that is just to make his balls swell. I'm not slagging off gloves so we can all stand around high fiving each other about how tough we are, using gloves when deadlifting makes no sense.
Going on about gloves and purses is soundbiting. If this thread was deadlifts are ripping my shins apart everyone be saying wear football socks. Football socks have no use apart from protecting your shins. Gloves for the time being protect my callouses. They still harden slowly on squats and bench. I have no problem with grip near my max so all this dropping the bar stuff won't apply for a while yet, by which time the hands will be hardened and the gloves discarded. Till then, ill keep using.0 -
They are hardening without a doubt because i tried a rep the other day without them, it burned like **** but no tear. im still getting callouses without tears. By the end of the month the gloves will be gone.
But the only time i dropped the bar was with a double overhand grip, haven't once dropped it since changing to over & under
Hey look do what you want. But for the purposes of this thread being read by countless other people with soft hands I can't just sit back and leave it be.
All your advice is based on assumptions, you assume your hands are hardening, you assume at the end of the month you'll have a set of hands able for your deadlifts. I've been to calous city, bought a mug and a t-shirt, and I can tell you your hand troubles haven't been fixed by the gloves.
You say you did a rep with no tear, you won't get a tear after one rep. Try a few weeks of repeated deadlifting on your previously gloved hands and come back to me.0 -
Hey look do what you want. But for the purposes of this thread being read by countless other people with soft hands I can't just sit back and leave it be.
All your advice is based on assumptions, you assume your hands are hardening, you assume at the end of the month you'll have a set of hands able for your deadlifts. I've been to calous city, bought a mug and a t-shirt, and I can tell you your hand troubles haven't been fixed by the gloves.
You say you did a rep with no tear, you won't get a tear after one rep.
I am not assuming they are hardening, i can see and feel the evidence. Plenty of callouses but as i said callouses aren't/weren't the problem. The problem was i did get tears and pretty bad tears at that from one rep, i was not used to that weight or the olympic bar and in turn i wouldn't of been able to repeatedly deadlift for few a weeks had i not stuck the gloves on.Try a few weeks of repeated deadlifting on your previously gloved hands and come back to me.
Gladly. You said you have been to callous city, what did you do when you got multiple tears on your hands? Did you repeatedly deadlift for a few weeks with them?0 -
I am not assuming they are hardening, i can see and feel the evidence. Plenty of callouses but as i said callouses aren't/weren't the problem. The problem was i did get tears and pretty bad tears at that from one rep, i was not used to that weight or the olympic bar and in turn i wouldn't of been able to repeatedly deadlift for few a weeks had i not stuck the gloves on.
Gladly. You said you have been to callous city, what did you do when you got multiple tears on your hands? Did you repeatedly deadlift for a few weeks with them?
ah ya!! i've bled all over countless bars(and no it wasnt my TOM). suck it up man0 -
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Gladly. You said you have been to callous city, what did you do when you got multiple tears on your hands? Did you repeatedly deadlift for a few weeks with them?
Just let them heal. How long between your deadlift sessions? If it's once a week, all but the worst tear should be pretty ok within a week. If not, just skip a week. 2 weeks off will have it healed right up. You aren't going to be skipping them all the time this is just to get used to things. The effect of cycling damaging your hands with letting them heal is what is going to put the hard skin on them.0 -
I guess the problem was i was deadlifting 3 times a week mainly due to not having access to a squat rack (home gym) Basically replacing squats with deads. I now have the squat rack so am cutting back on the deadlift sessions dramatically which in turn will give the hands time to heal effectively. I guess the gloves were what was most convenient at the time to keep me training0
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I guess the problem was i was deadlifting 3 times a week mainly due to not having access to a squat rack (home gym) Basically replacing squats with deads. I now have the squat rack so am cutting back on the deadlift sessions dramatically which in turn will give the hands time to heal effectively. I guess the gloves were what was most convenient at the time to keep me training
I imagine deadlifting heavy thrice weekly would not be could for you. Deadlifts put a serious amount of stress on CNS, and as far as i knew took you more than two days to recover fully from (correct me if i'm wrong).0 -
2). You eventually get to the point where you miss deadlifts because you keep dropping the bar rather than fail to lock it out and you ditch the gloves and your sub 100kg soft hands get torn to shreds by the new bigger weight.0
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I imagine deadlifting heavy thrice weekly would not be could for you. Deadlifts put a serious amount of stress on CNS, and as far as i knew took you more than two days to recover fully from (correct me if i'm wrong).
You are correct i would be absolutely shattered and probably went a bit backwards during it. Looking back wouldn't do it that much again, sometimes less is more.0 -
Blue_Lagoon wrote: »Compromise? Use leather gloves to protect palms with exposed fingers for grip?
here is the beastskills page mentioned earlier
http://www.beastskills.com/calluses.htm
I use a stanley blade to get mine, you have to be very careful though, the beastskills is safer.
A gymnastic coach has more tipsProbably the most over-used part of a gymnast's body are his hands. Rips, blisters and torn calluses are an unfortunate fact of everyday life for us. Over the years I have tried many methods of dealing with them.
First and foremost of these is reasonable moderation. Rome wasn't built in a day and neither will your calluses be. You would like to work up to the edge of a rip, but not over that edge into an actual rip. It takes much longer to heal an injury and completely re-grow new callus than to add another layer to an old. Also don't discount the negative impact unnecessary rips will have on your training.
The most efficient method that we have found to promote new callus growth is simple but rather painful. It is also an excellent way to promote callus health when you hands are simply "hot".
1) Remove the torn callus; trimming as closely to the edge of the wound as comfortably possible.
2) Smooth the edges of the wound with either a razor blade (proceed slowly!) or a pumice stone. These are available in handled versions as foot callus scrappers at all drug stores.
3) Now soak your torn callus in a bowl of water super-saturated with salt (to supersaturate continue adding salt to a warm container of water until the salt in no longer able to continue dissolving and you have a small amount of undissolved salt in the bottom) several times a day for at least 10 minutes.
Initially this may be quite painful. How painful will depend on the depth of the rip. If it is a very deep "bloody" rip, you are in for an interesting experience. :shock: It is necessary however, as we need to encourage the growth of callus immediately, rather than new soft pink skin that will simply re-tear right away anyway. Unless the blister is unusually deep, in one to two days it should be mostly healed - compared to the 5-7 days needed for conventional treatments.
4) Use just enough medicated chapstick (my personal choice as you can easily carry it in your pocket) to prevent drying to such an extent that the rip cracks. Do not however use Neosporin or something similar; in my experience the use of these type of products will promote the growth of new skin rather than a protective sheath of callus.
I only tore a callus once on monkey bars, that is a lot of movement so is a bit different. You will see gymnasts use "grips".
There is stuff called titegrip, it has antiperspirant and chalk and other stuff. You can get that antiperspirant in chemists, called driclor or perspirex, it is amazingly strong stuff.
(warning picture of a pole dancer on the home page!)
http://www.tite-grip.com/
Also the label on the liquid chalk I saw seemed to be just alcohol and chalk, you could probably make your own, but it needs to be high % alcohol so it dries off quickly.0
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