Deep in the $11+R on Stars. Like this line?

[Flipper]

Ok, down to 19 players from 1512. I'm playing a little under the average with 350k. Blinds are at 8k-16k when I picked up KcQc in the BB. The CO (very loose passive player playing about 410k) raised to 40k and was flat called by the button (somewhat tighter but has only come to the tale), SB and myself. Flop was AcTc6d. I checked, the CO bet 75k, the button called and I jammed after the SB folded. You like/hate?

Prize money is about $250 for 19th, $333 for 18th and $11,687 for 1st.

[CaptainNemo]

Originally Posted by Flipper

Ok, down to 19 players from 1512. I'm playing a little under the average with 350k. Blinds are at 8k-16k when I picked up KcQc in the BB. The CO (very loose passive player playing about 410k) raised to 40k and was flat called by the button (somewhat tighter but has only come to the tale), SB and myself. Flop was AcTc6d. I checked, the CO bet 75k, the button called and I jammed after the SB folded. You like/hate?

Prize money is about $250 for 19th, $333 for 18th and $11,687 for 1st.

I would do exactly the same. I mean, you're surely not folding that flop, and if you're not folding, shoving is much better than calling.

[poorbarman]

dont mind as played but......I would have jammed preflop,they cant call without a monster.....or lead out flop and call a push...........gotta go for the win every time.Top heavy payout in these,glglgl..........result?

[ozpoker]

I'd like the CRAI play better if your stack was bigger. As it is, it's pretty likely at least one of the late position players has an A, and your jam is offering either one around 2:1 to make the call. I suspect your FE here is nearly non existent, but the dead chips from folding out one of these players may make up for it. That said, jamming the flop would have been a better play IMO.

With 12 nut outs on the turn, you OTOH, are offered 300:70 or over 4:1 on the call, plus you are closing the action. When I'm offered an obviously +EV call and I don't have any FE, I'm inclined to just take the good price. In this particular case, you likely have some implied odds from hitting your draws also.

As played, I'd just call and be prepared to abandon it on the turn if missed.

-Oz-

[cardshark202]

Shove pre. Once the flop comes just open-shove. Calling preflop is a spew but once you get that flop you're never folding.

[padser]

I liked the final decision to shove.

The initial call pre flop was pretty much the only option imo. I wouldn't have shoved then since you are just too far behind the combined range that could be making those plays in front of you. (AK-AQ and any pocket pair over 8-8 or 10-10 is calling the all in and your behind). So I think the flat call is the only play.

I would probably have made the same play on the flop - however in hindsight I don't know if it was better then the straight shove. Look at it this way - I don't see you getting any folding equity here and you might have had some if you had some if you had shoved instead of checking the flop. I like winning the pot uncontested as you are not going to win it if called more then 50% of the time. So picking it up 10-20% uncontested (albeit a smaller pot) is worth the reduced pot size.

With 270 or so in the pot you are looking at a stack size for yourself of 570 or so if you take down the pot. With blinds at 8-16 - down to 19 players I think your sitting pretty.

[30something]

I love/hate the jam. You have said very little about the button who has just joined the table, we dont know his stack size. Lets see....

He has just joined the table so knows nothing about how aggro the CO is never mind how anyone else plays, yet he FLAT CALLS CO's PFR.

He then FLAT CALLS CO's flop bet. Does this smell of AA,1010,66? If so he's a bit stupid given the board is so draw heavy, howver I still suspect he has a hand.

The CO is aggro and thus we can discount him to some extent as we know he will pfr and c-bet.

Thus I like the jam v the CO but I am thinking I hate the jam v the Button as he has a hand and is calling us and we must hit or we are out.

[gosplan]

I like.

Mainly because of the top heavy payout. I'd expect to be called here a good % of the time but it's as good a chance as you're going to get to ammass a monster stack and go for the top spot.

[Sparky1808]

No other play in my mind on the flop that is.

I'd always ship it in on this flop in these circumstances too.

[RacingSilver]

With 136k in the pot, calling for another 24k pre-flop is the only play.

I think calling the 75k flop bet is poor given your options.
Yeah, its +Ev ( a 3/1 shot and getting 4/1 on pot).
Doing the maths, you need 19.6% to to make it neutral EV but you're chances of filling are 26.1%
i.e. +Ev of 5%.
(I haven't included the chances of filling and getting called on the turn)

However, raising all in risks 310k to win 555k, you only need to win 35% of the time to make it a neutral EV play.
However your chances of winning are much higher (about 46%) not including folding equity which is probably quite small but not negligible (at least 4% but I would think more).
So by raising all-in, you have a +Ev of at least 15%.

And as someone pointed out, this is a good opportunity to build your stack to go for the big prize.

[Flushdraw]

Originally Posted by cardshark202

Shove pre. Once the flop comes just open-shove. Calling preflop is a spew but once you get that flop you're never folding.

I agree with the 1st two parts of this.....he was in the BB with a 350k stack and it was costing him 24k into a 136k pot with KQs. I wouldnt use the word spew here.

[Grimebox]

im really on the wire here. It dosent seem you like you have enough FE to push here. Flat calling looks slightly more appealing, even though it is weak and transparent. Your getting excellent pot odds

[cardshark202]

Originally Posted by Flushdraw

I agree with the 1st two parts of this.....he was in the BB with a 350k stack and it was costing him 24k into a 136k pot with KQs. I wouldnt use the word spew here.

Well calling preflop is a losing play, hence I use the word spew to describe it.

[LuckyLloyd]

Shoving preflop is the correct play here IMO.

[Requiem4adream]

Squeeze pre or lead the flop. Either by shoving or a pot-sized bet obv not folding to any push.

Flop play is well over with 19 left in the $11r. It's all preflop, playing any flop with any holding is inadvisable. Blinds are too big, too much in the pot, and if there is ever a cast-iron squeeze it's this type of spot.

The problem as played is very few donks are gonna lay Ax on that flop but plenty will lay it pre. You still have outs of course but the idea deep in those rebuys is always to take pots without showdown; shoving pre here is a much better play than seeing a flop.