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Third of WHO advisers received support from drug firms

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,919 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    stoners


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,449 ✭✭✭SuperInfinity


    No surprise at all. They are all in bed with one another and having a laugh at the people who use the really expensive drugs. These people earn millions a year.

    Even blood pressure medication, one of the few medications that is supposed to actually WORK properly, even with all the horrible side effects to them, they don't even reduce mortality as shown by the latest meta analysis.

    The whole health care system, in particular the drug aspect to it, is for the mostpart nothing but a humongous scam.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,060 ✭✭✭catthinkin


    hope they all get bird flu c**ts . :mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 337 ✭✭WildBoots


    catthinkin wrote: »
    hope they all get bird flu c**ts . :mad:

    I hope they all get life in prison . And some bird flu too for good measure.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,919 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    No surprise at all. They are all in bed with one another and having a laugh at the people who use the really expensive drugs. These people earn millions a year.

    Even blood pressure medication, one of the few medications that is supposed to actually WORK properly, even with all the horrible side effects to them, they don't even reduce mortality as shown by the latest meta analysis.

    The whole health care system, in particular the drug aspect to it, is for the mostpart nothing but a humongous scam.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR8XH3R95xE


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    A third of Daily Mail readers are f*cking eejits, according to The Star.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 36,787 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    No surprise at all. They are all in bed with one another and having a laugh at the people who use the really expensive drugs. These people earn millions a year.

    Even blood pressure medication, one of the few medications that is supposed to actually WORK properly, even with all the horrible side effects to them, they don't even reduce mortality as shown by the latest meta analysis.

    The whole health care system, in particular the drug aspect to it, is for the mostpart nothing but a humongous scam.

    Care to cite the meta-analysis? Just because these fools are on the take doesn't necessarily mean that the drugs do not necessarily work.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 36,787 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I also love how the Daily Mail is slagging the government's handling of the whole swine flu thing while it's morons like themselves that hyped it up in the first place.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,257 ✭✭✭SoupyNorman


    I also love how the Daily Mail is slagging the government's handling of the whole swine flu thing while it's morons like themselves that hyped it up in the first place.



    So all the people who died from swine flu were faking?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭sesna


    So all the people who died from swine flu were faking?

    Very few died, number probably in line with those who would have died from normal flu. Certainly didn't justify the billions spent on vaccines by various governments, but then again its easy to say that looking back.

    The only unusual aspect of swine flu was the apparently young, healthy profile of some fatalities.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 36,787 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    sesna wrote: »
    Very few died, probably in line with those who would died from normal flu. The only unusual aspect was the apparently young, healthy profile of some fatalities.

    More or less what I was going to say. A lot of those who die have underlying conditions like CF. Papers were making it out like it was the end of the world.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,257 ✭✭✭SoupyNorman


    sesna wrote: »
    Very few died...

    I didnt quote numbers did I?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭sesna


    I didnt quote numbers did I?

    No, but you suggested the hype created by media/government another poster talked was related to mortality rates alone. The hype created by the media did refer to this, but more so to an imminent pandemic - hence huge numbers of vaccines being ordered at huge cost, and plans to vaccinate the entire population of Ireland for example.

    Also, the mortality rates estimated by media were grossly over-estimated as many people who did contract the virus just experienced severe flu symptoms for 1-2 weeks before fully recovering. Once again, easy saying all this with hindsight.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,857 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    sesna wrote: »
    Very few died, number probably in line with those who would have died from normal flu. Certainly didn't justify the billions spent on vaccines by various governments, but then again its easy to say that looking back.

    The only unusual aspect of swine flu was the apparently young, healthy profile of some fatalities.

    This.

    To (mis)quote someone from another thread: "if we're gonna spend billions on a swine flu vaccine, then I wanna see children dying in the streets goddammit!!!"

    Better safe than sorry. Hopefully governments and health authorities won't be intimidated by the moronic tabloid conspiracy crap that we saw regarding swine flu, and they'll continue to err on the side of caution and over-prepare for any future deadly pandemics.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,848 ✭✭✭bleg


    Agreed. If anything, swine flu showed us how hopelessly under prepared we were for a lethal pandemic. Hopefully we'll take the lessons learned and implement them the next time.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    bleg wrote: »
    Agreed. If anything, swine flu showed us how hopelessly under prepared we were for a lethal pandemic. Hopefully we'll take the lessons learned and implement them the next time.
    We over reacted to the so called pandemic, within days the entire world knew about it and was on the look out for it. I wouldn't say we where under prepared at all, we love all this doom and gloom we where on it in record time.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 36,787 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    ScumLord wrote: »
    We over reacted to the so called pandemic, within days the entire world knew about it and was on the look out for it. I wouldn't say we where under prepared at all, we love all this doom and gloom we where on it in record time.

    Yeah, headlines like "MMR vaccine ok!" just don't sell.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,467 ✭✭✭Wazdakka


    This is news to you? :confused:

    Next to Oil, Pharmaceuticals is the biggest industry on the planet.
    I've worked in the industry for years...

    There's a mental amount of corruption going in.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,100 ✭✭✭eightyfish


    WildBoots wrote: »
    A third of the experts advising the World Health Organisation about the swine flu pandemic had ties to drugs firms, it has emerged.

    Non-story. Who else are you going to get as an expert in an area than someone with industry experience? I'm surprised it's only a third, TBH.

    PS- Just saw this was the Daily Mail. Famous for manufacturing ignorant health-scare stories. If you could pick one paper to definitely NOT take health advice from, it would be this horrid rag.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 852 ✭✭✭moonpurple


    pharm companies are constantly gifting key people

    in ireland gps get cheques to take part in 'surveys'

    which they can chose to fill in or not online

    but they get the cheques anyway

    and get back handers in many different ways

    in medical card areas a gp will get entertained if a particular drug is being chosen at the expense of the taxpayer.. the rep will monitor sales at local pharmacies

    in psychiatric facilities vulnerable people who might benefit more from staff supported fresh air and exercise get a lot of expensive sedatives owing to their boredom and frustation.... its good for business, not for them, but DAMN good for business


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  • Posts: 17,381 Alistair Swift Tea


    Jesus.. Shouldn't a board like that be completely impartial?!
    They're recommendations cost millions.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    Jesus.. Shouldn't a board like that be completely impartial?!
    They're recommendations cost millions.

    Yes tehy should, hence the story :pac:

    They should be strung out


  • Posts: 17,381 Alistair Swift Tea


    It's insider trading like..


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,848 ✭✭✭bleg


    How many were linked to the Pharma companies that stood to profit directly? Namely, the manufacturers of Relenza, Tamiflu and the vaccines.


    Also: Remember, it's the daily mail.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 36,787 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I'd have thought that you wouldn't be allowed to advise if you were working with big Pharma. I think the article says they all used to work with various firms. I don't see why they don't just take advice from the likes of University Epidemiologists and Virologists.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,848 ✭✭✭bleg


    Cause most of them would have "links" with the pharmaceutical industry.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 36,787 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I don't know what it's like in the US but I've seen a few research positions here sponsored by the likes of L'Oreal. I suppose those would be the links. In journals like Nature though the authors have to disclose such links.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,848 ✭✭✭bleg


    . I think the article says they all used to work with various firms.


    So a third of them used to work with different firms. We're not sure if the firms they worked for stood to profit directly from advising the WHO to declare a pandemic. As far as I know the people on the panel didn't receive any bonus for having a pandemic declared.

    In fact, they might have worked for a rival drug company and not advised declaring a pandemic.

    However, all of this is pure, blind speculation that gets us nowhere.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    WildBoots wrote: »
    No surprises there anyway :rolleyes:

    A third of the experts advising the World Health Organisation about the swine flu pandemic had ties to drugs firms, it has emerged.

    Five of the 15 specialists who sat on the emergency committee had received funding from pharmaceutical giants, or were linked to them through their research.

    The revelation will prompt speculation that the 'pandemic' was wildly overestimated and largely fuelled by the drugs industry who stood to benefit from the panic.

    Thats the equivalent of saying that 5 of the 11 players on the international team have played for major European clubs. You'd have to show they were directly funded, while working for the WHO, to alter results, or promote their product etc.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    The WHO leave a lot to be desired when it comes to health issues.


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