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eircom dead now that upc announce new speeds and cheaper prices

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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭vibe666


    I did hear a recent Eircom radio advert saying that 60,000 customers have moved back to Eircom....
    they probably have, but they fail to mention that a slightly larger number of different customers have left. :)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    How odd. If you allegedly 'own' 65% of a company you should control around 65% of the board....but no.
    Representatives of Singapore's ST Telemedia have resigned from Eircom's board after its proposal to restructure the telecoms firm's €3.75 billion debt was rejected by senior lenders.

    A statement from Eircom said the majority of first lien lenders had rejected STT's plans. Eircom will now go ahead with talks on a proposal from a group representing the senior lenders.

    eircom did not even bother removing them from the list :)

    http://investorrelations.eircom.net/about/board/


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,979 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    How odd. If you allegedly 'own' 65% of a company you should control around 65% of the board....but no.



    eircom did not even bother removing them from the list :)

    http://investorrelations.eircom.net/about/board/

    You own 65% of the shares, not 65% of the company. There is a distinct difference. In reality, as a shareholder or board member you have little actual control of the running of a company. You do have options, generally down the legal route.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    eircom failed to publish their June 2011 accounts by weds last. I think the next set of figures will be published when they go into examinership, as expeected, later this month.

    The bondholders are getting figures all the same.

    http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/eircoms-earnings-may-fall-by-a-third-next-year-3032885.html
    Eircom is currently in talks with lenders in an effort to restructure its €3.7bn of borrowings.

    The latest forecasts reveal that annual earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortisation (EBITDA) are expected to drop to just €465m in 2013.

    It is down from €699m in the 12 months to the end of June 2010, the most recent figure available from the company.

    A spokesman for Eircom declined to comment.

    Earnings are reckoned to have dropped to €640m last year

    Their earnings are being affected by their limited FTTx upgrade program.
    The EBITDA figure is a crucial element in plans to "restructure" the company by writing off more than €1bn of its €3.7bn in debts.

    Lenders and potentially a High Court judge will determine how much debt the company can support based on the earnings outlook.

    A debt restructuring plan put forward by "first lien" lenders holding €2.4bn of well-secured loans is now being revised to take account of the latest forecast. The top lenders previously offered to write off 7pc of what they are owed for ownership of Eircom. That may now rise.

    Seeing as the lenders 'expect' the loans to be paid back in full in 2017, an the writeoff in question is 7% of €2.4bn ...leaving the post examinership eircom with up to €2.2bn of debt I suspect that the entire examinership palaver is but a rehearsal for some same old same old again around 2015. :(
    The revised forecast was revealed at a meeting last week attended by Eircom management and the company's top lenders.

    Trade publication 'Capital Structure' says lenders have been told to expect a pick-up in EBITDA after 2014.

    The company is now forecasting EBITDA of €532m this year, down from €553m previously budgeted for, according to Capital Structure.

    Even with a pick-up from 2014 there is no prospect of a recovery to even last year's level by 2017.

    Capital Structure says management put the cost of rolling out new fibre optic cable at €900m.

    €900m to do fibre and cabinets in larger towns only. Smaller towns and rural areas will get nothing....not even ADSL2+ unless they already have it.
    Eircom is targeting to hit one million homes with the roll-out in three years.

    Revenues have also been revised down, and are now expected to fall to €1.5bn this year not the previously budgeted €1.633bn.

    It could drop to €1.47bn next year, the company is understood to have warned.

    It is the second time Eircom's most crucial financial numbers have had to be revised in a year.

    While that may look ugly...remember that 1 in 3 €€s they make is pure profit....it is just that the debt is utterly monstrous.

    eircom cannot sustain a debt over €1.5bn and also invest. Their lenders think they will get €2.2bn back. Some more 'aggling is urgently required lads.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭vibe666


    do we even know where all that money went? how on earth did they get to this point with so much debt?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭D'Peoples Voice


    Page 18 of 20 (Dated June 30, 2011)
    	     Homes		2-way Homes  
    	     Passed		Passed (2 services or more possible)		
    Ireland	872,900		687,500	
    
    Video	
    	Analog Cable 	Digital Cable	MMDS	
    	Subscribers 	Subscribers	Subscribers
    	95,800		325,100		59,900
    
    Internet
    	Homes
    	Serviceable	Subscribers
    	687,500		224,800
    
    Telephony
    	Homes
    	Serviceable	Subscribers
    	642,600		121,200	
    
    The post above is a previous post - compare it to figures below released yesterday!
    note the 34% reduction in analog cable subscribers whilst there is only an offsetting 4% increase in digital cable subscribers - the figures are even worse if you include MMDS subscribers. Saorview to blame?
    [URL=http://www.lgi.com/PDF/press-release/Liberty-Global-2012-Press-Release-FINAL.pdf]Page 18 of 20 (Dated December 31, 2012)[/URL]
    Dated December 31, 2012
    	     Homes		2-way Homes  
    	     Passed		Passed (2 services or more possible)		
    Ireland	862,900		737,200	
    
    Video	
    	Analog Cable 	Digital Cable	MMDS	
    	Subscribers 	Subscribers	Subscribers
    	63,000(-34%)	337,800(+4%)	45,600(-24%)
    
    Internet
    	Homes
    	Serviceable	Subscribers
    	737,200(+7%)	304,300(+35%)
    
    Telephony
    	Homes
    	Serviceable	Subscribers
    	715,000(+11%)	238,100(+96%)
    


  • Registered Users Posts: 176 ✭✭liamf


    Oh I'm sure UPC don't care about that at all.

    The interesting numbers there are adding nearly 120K telephony subscribers, and adding 80K internet customers.

    They are far more valuable than losing analog cable or MMDS subs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,230 ✭✭✭Solair


    You have to remember UPC are now really a broadband company that also does television rather than a cable television provider that also does broadband.

    Analogue TV subs are more likely going to Freesat / low end Sky than Saorview.

    RTE and tv3 should be more concerned as I am aware of a lot of houses where Freesat (without RTE) is now the primary source of TV and where they haven't bothered with Saorview.

    Eircom is struggling to make a similar shift where they become a broadband company that also does POTS telephony service.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,349 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    note the 34% reduction in analog cable subscribers whilst there is only an offsetting 4% increase in digital cable subscribers - the figures are even worse if you include MMDS subscribers. Saorview to blame?

    Putting the figures in percentages is a little bit deceiving, due to the relatively small number of analog users and relatively high number of digital. In actual numbers, it is:

    - drop in analog users 32,800
    - Increase in digital users 12,700

    Ok, digital still doesn't offset the loss, but it looks a lot less drastic then reporting these figures as a 34% reduction and 4% increase.

    As others have pointed out, the 120k increase in phone customers and 80k increase in bb customers is far more important.

    It is Eircom and RTE who need to be worried.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭D'Peoples Voice


    bk wrote: »
    Putting the figures in percentages is a little bit deceiving, due to the relatively small number of analog users and relatively high number of digital. In actual numbers, it is:

    - drop in analog users 32,800
    - Increase in digital users 12,700

    Ok, digital still doesn't offset the loss, but it looks a lot less drastic then reporting these figures as a 34% reduction and 4% increase.
    Agreed.
    Another thing that I've since remembered is that
    someone previously on analog TV could have cancelled that subscription
    but set up a new subscription for UPC broadband
    and then use the free analog UPC TV signal
    that comes with UPC broadband.

    We know the amount of broadband users went up 79,500 (224,800 up to 304,300), how many of these users were previously analog TV only customers, and now pay for broadband only but still get the analog TV service. Would certainly explain a lot for me!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭D'Peoples Voice


    [URL=http://www.lgi.com/PDF/press-release/Liberty-Global-2012-Press-Release-FINAL.pdf]Page 18 of 20 (Dated December 31, 2012)[/URL]
    Dated December 31, 2012
    	     Homes		2-way Homes  
    	     Passed		Passed (2 services or more possible)		
    Ireland	862,900		737,200	
    
    Video	
    	Analog Cable 	Digital Cable	MMDS	
    	Subscribers 	Subscribers	Subscribers
    	63,000(-34%)	337,800(+4%)	45,600(-24%)
    
    Internet
    	Homes
    	Serviceable	Subscribers
    	737,200(+7%)	304,300(+35%)
    
    Telephony
    	Homes
    	Serviceable	Subscribers
    	715,000(+11%)	238,100(+96%)
    

    Eircom (31 December 2012)
    Certainly, UPC making up ground on Eircom Retail,
    still only 1/3 of Eircom Wholesale.
    Total customers         2,442,000
    
    Broadband
    Eircom Retail              461,000 customers
    Eircom PSTN              964,000 customers(incl Retail)
    
    Mobile
    Customers                1,086,000 customers
    
    Source:http://www.businessworld.ie/livenews.htm?a=3036986


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Whaddaya mean '"making up ground" D'Peoples Voice.

    UPC have gone past eircom on the penetration measure.

    eircom provide ADSL to around 600,000 out of 1.5m servicable homes and with the remainder of homes, 100k + not serviceable) ( eircom has 725279 (scroll down a bit there) DSL connections inc Sky and Voda but we must assume 125000 of those are business customers not residential ones)

    UPC provide Internet to 304,000 out of 737000 Servicable homes ( BB services) your own figures that D'Peoples Voice

    eircoms penetration is around 40% of Homes Serviceable.
    UPC Penetration
    is around 41% of Homes Serviceable.

    Finally, Natioal DSL penetration (Business and Homes) has been stuck around the 725k mark it is at today....since Q1 2010. The balance between eircom retail and wholesale DSL and LLU customers has changed a bit, with eircom retail dropping, but the total DSL market has been frozen at that number for 3 years now after growing continually from 2003 launch to the end of 2009 or so.

    This means that eircoms NGB wheeze, upgrading their higher end customers from up to 8mbits to up to 24mbits over that time period, only held them static overall. They'll equally have to migrate their high end customers to VDSL 50mbits + over the next year just to keep them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭funnyname


    Is he the Government Minister of Communications or a partisan director of communications for Eircom?

    http://www.breakingnews.ie/business/rabbitte-blames-flat-consumer-economy-for-eircom-blip-585571.html


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    It is an idiotic comment that shows the incompetence of the civil servants who' advise' him. :)

    eircom is now owned by a committee of 'bondholders' ( ie international bankers) who know nothing about telecoms and who have no economic interest in Ireland save to extract as much of their remaining €2.3bn of bonds as possible. I fail to see how they will ever manage that, meaning that another examinership is inevitable in the 2016/2017 timeframe.

    A more competent minister would have set his stall on a more realistic debt writedown/more realistic investment program during the last examinership ( and with the possibility of a bonus writeback of 'more debt' towards 2016/7 in the unlikely event that eircom had outperformed their targets.) and that failure is entirely Minister Rabittes fault as it occured on his watch during the examinership.

    He fully intends to make the same mistake when he sells off Bord Gáis and the ESB over the next 2 years...again on his watch and before he waddles off into retirement with his bloated pension around the same time eircom disappears into their next examinership.

    Praising this debt burdened hulk and its banker owners, sadly, is the Labour way I suppose. :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭D'Peoples Voice


    The post above is a previous post - compare it to figures below released yesterday!
    note the 34% reduction in analog cable subscribers whilst there is only an offsetting 4% increase in digital cable subscribers - the figures are even worse if you include MMDS subscribers. Saorview to blame?
    [URL=http://www.lgi.com/PDF/press-release/Liberty-Global-2012-Press-Release-FINAL.pdf]Page 18 of 20 (Dated December 31, 2012)[/URL]
    Dated December 31, 2012
    	        Homes		2-way Homes  
    	        Passed		Passed (2 services or more possible)		
    Ireland	862,900		737,200	
    
    Video	
    	Analog Cable 	Digital Cable	   MMDS	
    	Subscribers 	       Subscribers	         Subscribers
    	63,000(-34%)	337,800(+4%)	  45,600(-24%)
    
    Internet
    	Homes
    	Serviceable	       Subscribers
    	737,200(+7%)	 304,300(+35%)
    
    Telephony
    	Homes
    	Serviceable	       Subscribers
    	715,000(+11%)	238,100(+96%)
    

    After the recent price increases, it is worth having a quick look at UPC's latest figures.....
    [URL=http://www.libertyglobal.com/PDF/press-release/Liberty-Global-Q2-2013-Press-Release-FINAL.pdf]Dated June 30, 2013[/URL]
    
    	       Homes		2-way Homes  
    	       Passed		Passed (2 services or more possible)		
    Ireland	861,600		744,600	
    
    Video	
    	Analog Cable 	  Digital    	         MMDS	
    	Subscribers 	          Subscribers	         Subscribers
    	56,900([COLOR="Red"]-9.7%[/COLOR])       335,500([COLOR="Red"]-0.7%[/COLOR])	  42,000([COLOR="Red"]-7.9%[/COLOR])
    
    Internet
    	Homes
    	Serviceable	           Subscribers
    	744,600(+1.0%)	    321,300(+5.6%)
    
    Telephony
    	Homes
    	Serviceable	            Subscribers
    	729,100(+2.0%)	    265,900(+11.7%)
    

    the video figures are a bit surprising given that SKY also increased their prices.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,630 ✭✭✭Oracle


    I know most here won't share my opinion but .... I think UPC is the new Eircom. Look at the evidence; a near monopoly in many areas, sky high prices, they're the "price setters" in the market ie. everyone is matching or trying to beat their price, blanket advertising to stimulate demand. Also UPC, just like Eircom, charge a high price for basic service ie. for basic cable and phone, similar to Eircom charging for basic line rental.

    Yet despite the high prices (from €60 a month), everyone is desperate to hand over their readies to UPC. Just like years ago, when Eircom was a monopoly and charged a high price for line rental and calls, there were still waiting lists for phone lines.

    Another sign UPC is like the old Eircom is the creeping imposition of "installation" and "activation" fees. Eircom don't charge these anymore, they have continuous promos to offset them. But Eircom used to fleece people with these fees, just like UPC do today.


  • Registered Users Posts: 22 gvzAxle


    Something I'd like to point out is that if you go for one of UPCs "limited" bundles, you get a wonderfully fast 50Mb connection and a 10GB download allowance per month. To demonstrate how utterly useless this is:

    50Mb per second means you get a maximum peak download of 6.25MB per second.
    At the maximum peak download, it would take you a little under 27 minutes to download 10GB of data and hit your limit.
    It could be argued that you won't ever reach that peak, but with online digital distribution services, you often get pretty damn close.

    And considering how popular digital distribution is, this 10GB cap becomes even more crazy. Let's say that I want to purchase the relatively recent game BioShock Infinite. It's a 17.3GB download. hmm...

    Of course not everyone will be downloading huge games like this, but considering the popularity of video streaming services like youtube and netflix (both of which offer HD video), it wouldn't take that long for even a single person to chew through 10GB, nevermind a family.
    And if you go over the limit, the first time this happens you get a warning (fair enough), the second time you get automatically upgraded to a more expensive bundle.

    At present there are 2 "limited" bundles and they cost €59 and €66 per month, which is quite a lot of money for such a severely limited broadband connection. If they want to create an affordable limited bundle, the correct thing to do would be to couple a limited download speed with a more reasonable limited download allowance.
    Currently the "limited" bundles seem specifically designed to lure in those who don't know that much about the tech jargon then auto-upgrading them to a more expensive bundle.

    Now don't get me wrong, I love the fact that I can get these crazy fast connections from UPC, but there's absolutely no point whatsoever in having them if they get crippled with such ridiculous data allowances.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭D'Peoples Voice


    Oracle wrote: »
    I know most here won't share my opinion but .... I think UPC is the new Eircom. Look at the evidence; a near monopoly in many areas, sky high prices, they're the "price setters" in the market
    Eircom has over twice as many broadband subscribers than UPC, and Sky has more TV subscribers at 393,000 than UPC!

    Oracle wrote: »
    Yet despite the high prices (from €60 a month)
    Very true, compare their prices to their sister company in the Netherlands (if you use Chrome as your browser it should translate to English immediately).
    Oracle wrote: »
    Another sign UPC is like the old Eircom is the creeping imposition of "installation" and "activation" fees.
    Let's not forget the administration charges for changing your channels package! They might give you skysports "free" for three months even if you don't want it. But then they charge you €15 to take it off your package at the end of the "free" 3 months. So they've managed to take €15 more off you than you were originally prepared to give them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 73,364 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Let's not forget the administration charges for changing your channels package! They might give you skysports "free" for three months even if you don't want it. But then they charge you €15 to take it off your package at the end of the "free" 3 months. So they've managed to take €15 more off you than you were originally prepared to give them.

    To be fair that's nonsense.


  • Registered Users Posts: 980 ✭✭✭Freddy Smelly


    ye do realise the bt's network is actually leased off eircom wholesale right?

    eircom is two seperate entities

    eircom wholesale = those that own all the dsl/fibre lines, cabinets, and exchanges
    eircom retail = a service provider that leases eircom wholesale dsl/fibre lines like all the others.

    eircom retail has to deal with the same ****ty knn fibre engineers as does magnet or vodafone or bt

    eircom wholesale has contracted knn not eircom retail to do fibre upgrades/installs.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭ArthurG


    gvzAxle wrote: »

    At present there are 2 "limited" bundles and they cost €59 and €66 per month, which is quite a lot of money for such a severely limited broadband connection.....

    I'm not sure how this is, but I'm on a 150Mb unlimited package for €52 a month including the cost of phone which I took to avoid the standalone charge (plus I recently got a free upgrade to 150, and am a long time out of contract).


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,122 ✭✭✭BeerWolf


    Oracle wrote: »
    I know most here won't share my opinion but .... I think UPC is the new Eircom. Look at the evidence; a near monopoly in many areas, sky high prices, they're the "price setters" in the market ie. everyone is matching or trying to beat their price, blanket advertising to stimulate demand. Also UPC, just like Eircom, charge a high price for basic service ie. for basic cable and phone, similar to Eircom charging for basic line rental.

    Yet despite the high prices (from €60 a month), everyone is desperate to hand over their readies to UPC. Just like years ago, when Eircom was a monopoly and charged a high price for line rental and calls, there were still waiting lists for phone lines.

    Another sign UPC is like the old Eircom is the creeping imposition of "installation" and "activation" fees. Eircom don't charge these anymore, they have continuous promos to offset them. But Eircom used to fleece people with these fees, just like UPC do today.

    Monopoly ? UPC's ONLY available in large towns or cities... I can only dream of getting UPC - be more than happy to pay for them, over the current €45 a month I'm currently paying for a joke of a wireless connection.


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    To be fair that's nonsense.

    Actually it's true.They do charge admin fees.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,349 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Oracle I have to disagree with you.

    In the past we only had Eircom, which meant relatively very slow broadband at a very high price.

    Then UPC arrived on the scene and you could get ridiculously fast broadband at a reasonable but not necessarily "cheap" price.

    So UPC was a massive improvement in the market, finally you had really good, fast, high quality broadband at a reasonable price.

    You are however correct, UPC has never really done truly cheap broadband, but in fairness, that isn't really their focus.

    UPC's presence in the market has now forced Eircom to finally invest in their network, introducing VDSL to try and compete with UPC.

    This has allowed probably the best "cheap" deal to be introduced, Vodafones 70mb package at €32.

    However I do agree with you partly, I believe with this cheap "good enough" package from Vodafone, with Sky likely to soon launch "cheap" VDSL products and with Eircom likely to soon launch their own IPTV service to compete with UPC's TV service, I do feel competition is going to heat up on UPC.

    I believe UPC will need to eventually respond by doing the following in order to remain competitive:
    - Increasing the entry level speed to 100mb
    - Increasing the upload speed on all packages to minimum 20mb
    - Dropping prices slightly

    This is all great news for the consumer, we have two strong networks competing with one another, driving down prices and improving services. Long may it last.


  • Registered Users Posts: 73,364 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    zerks wrote: »
    Actually it's true.They do charge admin fees.

    They do for downgrades, however i was replying to a statement that if you get free sports for 2 or 3 months that you pay a fee to remove. I've had sky sports/movies for free and half price a good few times and once its on promotion you don't get charged to remove it. I'm on free setanta/bt at the moment and there'll be no fee to take it off.
    Downgrade fee is also €10 and not €15 as stated

    gvzAxle wrote: »
    Something I'd like to point out is that if you go for one of UPCs "limited" bundles, you get a wonderfully fast 50Mb connection and a 10GB download allowance per month. To demonstrate how utterly useless this is:

    50Mb per second means you get a maximum peak download of 6.25MB per second.
    At the maximum peak download, it would take you a little under 27 minutes to download 10GB of data and hit your limit.
    It could be argued that you won't ever reach that peak, but with online digital distribution services, you often get pretty damn close.

    And considering how popular digital distribution is, this 10GB cap becomes even more crazy. Let's say that I want to purchase the relatively recent game BioShock Infinite. It's a 17.3GB download. hmm...

    Of course not everyone will be downloading huge games like this, but considering the popularity of video streaming services like youtube and netflix (both of which offer HD video), it wouldn't take that long for even a single person to chew through 10GB, nevermind a family.
    And if you go over the limit, the first time this happens you get a warning (fair enough), the second time you get automatically upgraded to a more expensive bundle.

    At present there are 2 "limited" bundles and they cost €59 and €66 per month, which is quite a lot of money for such a severely limited broadband connection. If they want to create an affordable limited bundle, the correct thing to do would be to couple a limited download speed with a more reasonable limited download allowance.
    Currently the "limited" bundles seem specifically designed to lure in those who don't know that much about the tech jargon then auto-upgrading them to a more expensive bundle.

    Now don't get me wrong, I love the fact that I can get these crazy fast connections from UPC, but there's absolutely no point whatsoever in having them if they get crippled with such ridiculous data allowances.

    An awful lot of eircom customers have ngb basic or 1mb with 10gb limit. My mother for example. Only time she'd stream video is rte player and that'd be on on-demand anyway so wouldn't affect usage. There's def a market for it. To UPCs credit they don't really advertise it in the ads. Compare with sky's 2gb limit which is widely advertised as the starting point.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭7upfree


    gvzAxle wrote: »
    Something I'd like to point out is that if you go for one of UPCs "limited" bundles, you get a wonderfully fast 50Mb connection and a 10GB download allowance per month. To demonstrate how utterly useless this is:

    50Mb per second means you get a maximum peak download of 6.25MB per second.
    At the maximum peak download, it would take you a little under 27 minutes to download 10GB of data and hit your limit.
    It could be argued that you won't ever reach that peak, but with online digital distribution services, you often get pretty damn close.

    And considering how popular digital distribution is, this 10GB cap becomes even more crazy. Let's say that I want to purchase the relatively recent game BioShock Infinite. It's a 17.3GB download. hmm...

    Of course not everyone will be downloading huge games like this, but considering the popularity of video streaming services like youtube and netflix (both of which offer HD video), it wouldn't take that long for even a single person to chew through 10GB, nevermind a family.
    And if you go over the limit, the first time this happens you get a warning (fair enough), the second time you get automatically upgraded to a more expensive bundle.

    At present there are 2 "limited" bundles and they cost €59 and €66 per month, which is quite a lot of money for such a severely limited broadband connection. If they want to create an affordable limited bundle, the correct thing to do would be to couple a limited download speed with a more reasonable limited download allowance.
    Currently the "limited" bundles seem specifically designed to lure in those who don't know that much about the tech jargon then auto-upgrading them to a more expensive bundle.

    Now don't get me wrong, I love the fact that I can get these crazy fast connections from UPC, but there's absolutely no point whatsoever in having them if they get crippled with such ridiculous data allowances.

    Well just get an unlimited bundle then!


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