Panhard cars in Ireland

PanhardPL · 02-11-2006 12:48pm #1

These cars were assembled in Dublin by Cauldwell's in Lucan in the early 1960's,. Anyone like to talk about these as I have some.

mustang68 · 02-11-2006 12:53pm

Wow, interesting, do you have any pics, never heard about these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panhard

Sadly I know more about US cars then about cars from Ireland

tell us more

NEVCC · 02-11-2006 3:32pm

Id be very interested in hearing more about your cars. There were a number of cars assembled in Ireland over the years. My dad has a little Renault 4CV that has Deanta in Eireann on the glass, tires and chassis plate.
The first Volkswagen car assembled outside Germany was assembled in Ireland in 1950.
And then we have the infamous shamrock car.

mustang68 · 02-11-2006 3:45pm

Shamrock car?

NEVCC · 02-11-2006 4:25pm

The Shamrock was started Tralee, Co. Kerry, but the company was moved to Castleblayney, Co. Monaghan. The aim was to produce a large luxury car model for export to the US market. It is a god awful looking thing it had a fiberglass body and a tiny Austin 1.5 litre engine. There is a guy in the club with one.

http://easyreader.hermosawave.net/news2001/0322/baywatch.asp

Second pic down

Surfer · 02-11-2006 5:11pm

A friends father has one sitting in his garage. It has been sitting there as long as I can remember. He plans on restoring it when he retires. Not sure of the model but I think it is a 4 door. Hard to see it correctly with all the bikes on it.
Also saw a green one is Foxrock a couple of weeks back.

PanhardPL · 02-11-2006 5:19pm

Surfer wrote:

A friends father has one sitting in his garage. It has been sitting there as long as I can remember. He plans on restoring it when he retires. Not sure of the model but I think it is a 4 door. Hard to see it correctly with all the bikes on it.
Also saw a green one is Foxrock a couple of weeks back.

Its quite possible that I am aware of this car especially when you mentioned it being covered with bikes. Yes the one you would have seen in Foxrock is owned by a french guy who has two Panhards. I have some of them and if you would like to see pics just let me know.

PanhardPL · 02-11-2006 5:25pm

mustang68 wrote:

Wow, interesting, do you have any pics, never heard about these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panhard

Sadly I know more about US cars then about cars from Ireland tell us more

I do have some Panhards and would be happy to talk about them at any time and have plenty of photos. I can be contacted through MSN Messenger from where I can send photos - cx24@hotmail.com

cormac_byrne · 02-11-2006 9:19pm

NEVCC wrote:

Id be very interested in hearing more about your cars. There were a number of cars assembled in Ireland over the years. My dad has a little Renault 4CV that has Deanta in Eireann on the glass, tires and chassis plate.
The first Volkswagen car assembled outside Germany was assembled in Ireland in 1950.
And then we have the infamous shamrock car.

I remember when they used to 'make' Renaults in Rosslare, by that I mean take them out of shipping crates and put the wheels on (well maybe a little more).

Basically it was a tax dodge.

Also they put a pint of petrol in each and left the keys in the ignition so they could be driven onto the transporter lorry. The local kids did on occasion climb over the fence to play dodgems, changing cars whenever they ran out of fuel.

And on the subject of made in Ireland cars, they used to build Triumphs on Cashel Rd in Drimnagh. (factory still there, now a pharmacutical company)

ds20prefecture · 02-11-2006 11:32pm

Hi PanhardPL - yes, I'm interested in talking about your cars. Do you have any pics? A good friend of mine in the US has a 24BT coupe, spectacular car. I have seen only one Panhard in Ireland, a 4 door in lime green parked in around Donnybrook

Personally I'm a Citroen fan, but as I understand the history, Citroen did not do Panhard any favours when they owned them. Ironic that Citroen then suffered and an even more ignominious fate at the hands of peugeot.

Are you aware of any Panhards with Citroen hydraulics?

Here's some pics:

Blue850 · 03-11-2006 9:49am

cormac_byrne wrote:

And on the subject of made in Ireland cars, they used to build Triumphs on Cashel Rd in Drimnagh. (factory still there, now a pharmacutical company)

i've got an irish built MK1 2000, weird thing about it, there isn't a chassis number stamped on it anywhere.

MercMad · 03-11-2006 10:16am

Blue850 wrote:

i've got an irish built MK1 2000, weird thing about it, there isn't a chassis number stamped on it anywhere.

.........yeah the guiy doing the chassis stamping was out that day !!

I'd love to hear more about ANY Irish built car, so please guys post away !

Thanks DS for the photos of the Panhard, I assumed you folk were talking about early 1920's type cars, I had fogotten about the newer ones until I saw the picture !

I assume the Triumph factory is now Leo Pharma ??

ds20prefecture · 03-11-2006 10:33am

MercMad wrote:

I'd love to hear more about ANY Irish built car, so please guys post away !

The largest indigenous car producer in the Republic was Heinkel cars with 6500 cars produced in Dundalk in the 50s.
The Irish government were the owners of the company, and the sole owners of the Heinkel name at that point. the engines were still manufactured in Germany, but the cars were pressed and assembled here. They even designed two additional models before selling the company to Trojan in Slough.

Many cars were assembled in Ireland - Ford in Cork obviously but our import restrictions in the 50s and 60s forced car makers to assemble kits here. Ashley Hurst assembled the Traction Avant and the DS in Dublin, as well as many other cars.

NEVCC · 03-11-2006 10:46am

There were a lot of cars assembled in Ireland but not so many Irish produced cars. I used to produce the club news letter and I remember doing a couple of pages on this topic I’ll see if I can dig it out. I think the first car produced in Ireland was the Thomond back in the 1920’s. http://humphrysfamilytree.com/Thomond/index.html

PanhardPL unfortunately I use skype not the MSN. Could you post some picks of your cars I like MercMad assumed it was the early ones.

G Luxel · 05-11-2006 12:02am

Brittains built the last Morris Minor in the world in the I970s although Australia stopped building them in I974. There was one Morris Minor Traveller built in the U.K. from new parts in I985. On the subject of Irish built, the Hillman Hunter was built here after production was moved from Coventry in I976.
Then all the machinery was shipped over to Iran in I979 where the car was built until 2005 as the Paykan. Another unique Irish built car was the Wolseley I500 in which the first I50 were fitted with I200 cc A series engines from the Minor and there is no record of this car being sold anywhere else.
I know of a Panhard PL I7 in the Munster area although I dont know if it was assembled in this country or not.

G Luxel · 05-11-2006 12:05am

NEVCC wrote:

Id be very interested....
The first Volkswagen car assembled outside Germany was assembled in Ireland in 1950.

That car is now in the Volkswagen museum in Wolfsburg

PanhardPL · 05-11-2006 12:35am

Hello from Limerick,

Just curious about the mention of a PL17 in Munster, may I ask where you have seen it

G Luxel · 06-11-2006 12:10am

There were Bedfords assembled in what is now the PJ O Hea garage in Cork city in the I930s so Fords weren't the only cars assembled in Cork. During the 80s, there was a sports car built in Wexford called the TMC Costin but it closed in the late 80s. The newspapers were awash with speculation in the late 80s that Lotus was considering building a factory in Cork and also a consortium were interested in building a factory for the brazilian Puma sports car in limerick at the same time.

As for the Panhard I saw in Munster, it was a black Dyna, LHD but on Irish plates, pre 86. I also saw another one amongst other cars in a shed in limerick but that was in the mid 80s.

junkyard · 06-11-2006 12:14am

Opels, Studebakers and DKWs were also assembled in Cork.

BMWE21 · 07-11-2006 6:55pm

Rootes products (Hillman, Sunbeam etc) were built by Buckleys (later Chrysler) on Shanowen Road in Santry. The factory is still there and is now Santry Garda Station.

Vauxhalls and Bedfords were built around the corner from there by McCairns Motors on the site now occupied by Omni Park shopping centre. I think they assembled Chevrolet somewhere on Townsend St. too.

Then there was Lincoln & Nolan out in Islandbridge who assembled Austins and Reg Armstrong in Ringsend who did NSU and Opel. That factory was demolished around 10 years ago. An archway still remains on the side of the apartments built on the site, just beside the Texaco station opposite the bus garage. Brittains was originally near Portobello bridge I think?

Any article/book is well overdue on car production in Ireland.

PanhardPL · 28-11-2006 11:01pm

Has anybody come across one of these models?

Silvera · 01-12-2006 9:16pm

BMWE21 wrote:

Any article/book is well overdue on car production in Ireland.

A book was written on this subject in the 80's called 'Motor Makers In Ireland'. I have a copy which I bought at an autojumble a few years ago. It has a pic of a De Lorean DMC12 on the front cover.

Speaking of Irish-built cars......

The unique (and priceless!) County Kildare-built Silver Stream, which is on display in the 'Museum Of Irish Transport' in Killarney. It bears Kildare's first registration - 'IO 1'.
(The museum also has the world's largest collection of Irish-built Wolseley cars!) .......

dahamsta · 01-12-2006 10:16pm

The museum closed several years ago, unfortunately.

Silvera · 02-12-2006 1:27am

dahamsta wrote:

The museum closed several years ago, unfortunately.

Eh..... NO IT DIDN'T!!

The museum is 'alive and well' in Killarney!

(There were talks of the museum moving to a location outside Killarney town, but I don't think this has happened as yet)

dahamsta · 02-12-2006 1:40am

I went looking for it in Killarney 4-6 months ago and was pointed to a empty lot. Where is it?

Silvera · 02-12-2006 1:55am

dahamsta wrote:

I went looking for it in Killarney 4-6 months ago and was pointed to a empty lot. Where is it?

I was in the museum (in Killarney town centre - Scotts Gardens Hotel grounds) c.8 months-1 yr ago. As I said, there were rumours/talks that it may be moved, apparently the hotel grounds were going to be developed.

dahamsta · 02-12-2006 2:26am

I was told that the plan was to move it, but that it never happened; i.e. it shut down, and never reopened elsewhere.

Silvera · 02-12-2006 2:48am

Thats a real surprise to me!
Tha museum is/was the best of it's kind in the Republic and had been built-up over many many years. I will be investigating further!

dahamsta · 02-12-2006 3:36am

Please do! I was very disappointed the day I was told this, but it's possible the people I talked to were just misinformed.

adam

PanhardPL · 14-01-2007 2:10am

Here is a view of the PL17 before restoration

PanhardPL · 14-01-2007 2:40am

This is what its shaping up like

Panhard cars in Ireland

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