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Why perma-ban people and allow them to return?

  • 23-06-2012 11:21pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    What is the point in perma-banning people from forums and then allow them to return under a new name?

    I think this shows up a fundamental weakness in the boards.ie ban system in that it allows the banned to assume a new identity and fool less aware people into entertaining their trolling.

    This method of dealing with trolls is simply dishonest. Why not just give people recurring bans if you're not going to give the 'perma' part of bans any value?
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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,831 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    Who are you talking about? Posters who re-reg to get around bans do get perma-banned, once it's proven who they are. You should read the Prison forum more often. It's often as entertaining as it is informative. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Who are you talking about?

    I'm pretty sure I've called this person out on thread in AH so mods are well aware who it is.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,570 ✭✭✭Elmidena


    Instead of calling out suspicions on-thread like a game of "Guess Who?", why don't you report the user and type your suspicion? That way an admin will see it and can run all the checks if needs be, and then Gordon gets a new playmate if you're right! Mods can't read every post on every thread, especially not on a ridiculously busy forum like AH, so help them out a bit and you both win (and maybe the suspect re-reg will too if it turns out they aren't who they're accused of being) :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,570 ✭✭✭Elmidena


    Who are you talking about? Posters who re-reg to get around bans do get perma-banned, once it's proven who they are. You should read the Prison forum more often. It's often as entertaining as it is informative. :)
    I admit I get disappointed when I click in on it and it's just spambots :(
    But can we, the plebs, elect Pighead as a prison mod :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 31,859 ✭✭✭✭Sharpshooter


    I'm pretty sure I've called this person out on thread in AH so mods are well aware who it is.

    Not always Chuck, we cannot read every thread and post in AHs.

    Did you report the user as a re reg?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 81,125 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    There is no earthly way I would expect even a dozen AH mods to read through every post of inane shyte that happens in AH. If there is one forum on this entire website where you really have to make use of the report button: THAT IS IT.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 24,924 Mod ✭✭✭✭BuffyBot


    I can tell you this much for sure - if there is sufficient evidence of a re-reg, they'll be banned. I speak as someone who banned enough of them in my Admin days.

    However there isn't often sufficient hard evidence even when you know it's them, deep down. Sometimes you just have to wait it out until there is, or they trip themselves up or revert to their former behaviour patterns and get banned anyway. It's annoying but some will always through for whatever reason!

    One or two have even come back as reformed, useful members of society ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,042 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Seriously, is there not enough evidence to suggest that the person the OP is referring to is a re-reg? I'm sure somebody must have reported a post of his by now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,806 ✭✭✭✭KeithM89_old


    Seriously, is there not enough evidence to suggest that the person the OP is referring to is a re-reg? I'm sure somebody must have reported a post of his by now.

    If your referring to a certain poster beginning with the letter 'P', its still being looked at.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 307 ✭✭CodyJarrett


    KeithM89 wrote: »
    If your referring to a certain poster beginning with the letter 'P', its still being looked at.

    You leave Pighead alone.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,806 ✭✭✭✭KeithM89_old


    whiplashed wrote: »
    You leave Pighead alone.

    Oh id never ban Pighead ;)

    Also that other problem is now sorted.


  • Registered Users Posts: 44,080 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    Just to point out, don't have an attitude of "shur, I won't bother reporting it, someone else will"

    Don't call out people as trolls/reregs on thread. It's clear flaming. Report the poster/post instead.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,687 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    Elmidena wrote: »
    Instead of calling out suspicions on-thread like a game of "Guess Who?", why don't you report the user and type your suspicion? That way an admin will see it and can run all the checks if needs be, and then Gordon gets a new playmate if you're right! Mods can't read every post on every thread, especially not on a ridiculously busy forum like AH, so help them out a bit and you both win (and maybe the suspect re-reg will too if it turns out they aren't who they're accused of being) :)
    What are the checks that Admin. run?


  • Registered Users Posts: 35,523 ✭✭✭✭Gordon


    padd b1975 wrote: »
    What are the checks that Admin. run?
    I personally run a μ-pet test, sometimes a β-than-u test, and rarely I'll lead a λ-slotter config in Prison.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,687 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    Gordon wrote: »
    I personally run a μ-pet test, sometimes a β-than-u test, and rarely I'll lead a λ-slotter config in Prison.
    In other words, you wing it?


  • Registered Users Posts: 35,523 ✭✭✭✭Gordon


    We take it on a case by case basis.

    We have a number of tools at our fingertips, managing a blend of utilities depending on the circumstance, searching deep if and when the need arises, or shallow if it doesn't. If this is what you define 'winging it' then you can draw your own pigeon hole from the limited amount of info I've given you. Telling you exactly what checks we make would make it a little easier for people to bypass our social security tetra-systems, so we don't tend to offer this info into the wild. Apart from the fact that we tap computer webcams, I think everyone knows that we do this. Many people take the precaution of putting bits of paper over their webcams sometimes, by the way.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,687 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    Gordon wrote: »
    We take it on a case by case basis.

    We have a number of tools at our fingertips, managing a blend of utilities depending on the circumstance, searching deep if and when the need arises, or shallow if it doesn't. If this is what you define 'winging it' then you can draw your own pigeon hole from the limited amount of info I've given you. Telling you exactly what checks we make would make it a little easier for people to bypass our social security tetra-systems, so we don't tend to offer this info into the wild. Apart from the fact that we tap computer webcams, I think everyone knows that we do this. Many people take the precaution of putting bits of paper over their webcams sometimes, by the way.
    Lol, not really a webcam sort of guy to be honest, but I appreciate the heads up;)

    Seriously though, is not almost impossible to weed out a re reg with more and more people accessing boards via mobile internet?


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,042 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    We take it on a case by case basis.

    We have a number of tools at our fingertips, managing a blend of utilities depending on the circumstance, searching deep if and when the need arises, or shallow if it doesn't.

    Enough about your porn career, how do you determine if someone is a re-reg?


  • Registered Users Posts: 35,523 ✭✭✭✭Gordon


    padd b1975 wrote: »
    Lol, not really a webcam sort of guy to be honest, but I appreciate the heads up;)

    Seriously though, is not almost impossible to weed out a re reg with more and more people accessing boards via mobile internet?
    Nothing is impossible with our custom built tetraquad-utils, they have Z-core technology, they are practically artifactual intelligence, way surpassing current artificial plastic stuff you get these days.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,408 ✭✭✭✭El Guapo!


    Gordon wrote: »
    padd b1975 wrote: »
    What are the checks that Admin. run?
    I personally run a μ-pet test, sometimes a β-than-u test, and rarely I'll lead a λ-slotter config in Prison.
    Lol.
    Took me a while to get the last one!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 35,523 ✭✭✭✭Gordon


    Enough about your porn career, how do you determine if someone is a re-reg?
    We screen for venerable decrease.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,455 ✭✭✭RUCKING FETARD


    Dean09 wrote: »
    Lol.
    Took me a while to get the last one!
    I don't get it:confused:


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,645 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    I don't get it:confused:
    That's because you're a rucking fetard.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,212 ✭✭✭✭Tom Dunne


    padd b1975 wrote: »
    What are the checks that Admin. run?

    I just usually cup them and say "cough".

    Virtually, of course.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Don't call out people as trolls/reregs on thread. It's clear flaming. Report the poster/post instead.

    I try my best not to report posts because when I do I want it to be taken seriously. I'd imagine there are people constantly running to 'Mammy and Daddy' and, naturally, their complaints have less weight.

    This issue presents me with some significant dilemmas in that I don't think.. Mr P should have been banned in the first place so it's not a vendetta - more an attempt to clarify the position of 'the powah' iykwim.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,515 ✭✭✭LH Pathe


    El Weirdo wrote: »
    That's because you're a rucking fetard.

    stupid, black kettle thing..

    It's because when we return otherwise, it's under a different guise.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7 manic12


    I suspect some mods like to log in as ordinary users just to inflame .
    The if they do not like the reply ban them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,819 ✭✭✭✭g'em


    manic12 wrote: »
    I suspect some mods like to log in as ordinary users just to inflame .
    The if they do not like the reply ban them.

    Now is that more or less inflammatory than people who re-reg to get around site-bans?




    (user now sitebanned)


  • Posts: 17,381 Jeremiah Greasy Cougar


    Pretty sure I was perma-banned a long time ago..

    I think there should be a cap for when the same IP can be used again since so many people start using this site in their teens. Very unfair to ruin their careers as IT professionals when they can't post their network issues on here.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 307 ✭✭CodyJarrett


    Pretty sure I was perma-banned a long time ago..

    I think there should be a cap for when the same IP can be used again since so many people start using this site in their teens. Very unfair to ruin their careers as IT professionals when they can't post their network issues on here.

    I moderate a forum stateside and the days of blocking IPs are over.

    We have a few other ways of identifying previously banned users though (none an exact science).


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