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Garda Reserve Duties & Powers

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  • #32
    da__flash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 430 ✭✭da__flash


    psni wrote: »
    Not unless they are accompanied by a full time member AND on duty.

    Reserves actually have no powers of arrest under the public order act the cant arrest for public order incidents. it is the full time member who is on duty will do the arresting and make the call whether to arrest or not..

    In plain english the following are the only thing reserves can arrest for:
    Section 40 of RTA is Driving licence and failing to give name or allow member to examine. Reserve has power of arrest

    Section 69 of RTA is insurance and again not giving name or refusing to allow member to examine. Reserve has a power of arrest

    Section 4 CLA is power of arrest for an arrestable offence. An arrestable offence is an office that carrys, on inditment a sentence of 5 years or more.

    Hope this clears things up.


  • #33
    Shield
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 9,631 CMod ✭✭✭✭Shield


    Well it's still being advertised on PAS so I assume they're accepting applications now.


  • #34
    Shield
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 9,631 CMod ✭✭✭✭Shield


    It does thanks. I thought the OP meant can a Reserve assist in the arrest of a suspect. My "bad".
    da__flash wrote: »
    Reserves actually have no powers of arrest under the public order act the cant arrest for public order incidents. it is the full time member who is on duty will do the arresting and make the call whether to arrest or not..

    In plain english the following are the only thing reserves can arrest for:
    Section 40 of RTA is Driving licence and failing to give name or allow member to examine. Reserve has power of arrest

    Section 69 of RTA is insurance and again not giving name or refusing to allow member to examine. Reserve has a power of arrest

    Section 4 CLA is power of arrest for an arrestable offence. An arrestable offence is an office that carrys, on inditment a sentence of 5 years or more.

    Hope this clears things up.


  • #35
    da__flash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 430 ✭✭da__flash


    No probelmo just a little help from your neighbourhood flash :cool:


  • #36
    Shield
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 9,631 CMod ✭✭✭✭Shield


    Careful now, or you'll be asked to help mod this place!


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  • #37
    da__flash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 430 ✭✭da__flash


    me never :cool: I dont think i d be trusted with the awesome power:pac:


  • #38
    tcd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 52 ✭✭tcd


    i cant seem to find out how to apply on publicjobs.ie :( any help?


  • #39
    Hooch
    Registered Users Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭Hooch


    da__flash wrote: »
    me never :cool: I dont think i d be trusted with the awesome power:pac:

    Hey....they trusted psni and look what he did to the place:pac::p


  • #40
    da__flash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 430 ✭✭da__flash


    nice guy always wrote: »
    Hey....they trusted psni and look what he did to the place:pac::p

    two shay:pac::cool:


  • #41
    tcd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 52 ✭✭tcd


    In the case of someone assaulting you on duty..clearly a reserve has the power to arrest?


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  • #42
    Shield
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 9,631 CMod ✭✭✭✭Shield


    But reserves are only on duty while accompanied by a full-time member!


  • #43
    da__flash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 430 ✭✭da__flash


    tcd wrote: »
    In the case of someone assaulting you on duty..clearly a reserve has the power to arrest?

    no you do not have a power to arrest as there is no power laid done for it.. the full time member would arrest do under a different act do...


  • #44
    klong
    Registered Users Posts: 1,381 ✭✭✭klong


    In the case of someone assaulting you on duty..clearly a reserve has the power to arrest?
    da__flash wrote: »
    no you do not have a power to arrest as there is no power laid done for it.. the full time member would arrest do under a different act do...


    Surely the answer would be "yes...but".

    From DoJ website:

    Garda Reserve powers are as follows :-

    Road Traffic Act 1961/2006

    * Power to demand production of driving licence in accordance with Section 40 of the Road Traffic Act, 1961/2006;
    * Power to demand production of a certificate of insurance or exemption in accordance with Section 69 of the Road Traffic Act, 1961/2006.
    * Power to regulate traffic movement in accordance with Section 91 of the Road Traffic Act, 1961/2006.
    * Power to require person driving vehicle in a public place to stop in accordance with Section 109 of the Road Traffic Act, 1961/2006.

    Power of arrest without warrant

    * Section 40 (4)(a) & (b) Road Traffic Act, 1961/2006
    * Section 69 (5) Road Traffic Act, 1961/2006.
    * Section 109 Road Traffic Act, 1961/2006.
    * Section 4(3) of the Criminal Law Act 1997 (power of arrest for an ‘arrestable offence’)


    Citizens Information website defines an "arrestable offence" as:

    "Just as the Bail Act 1997 created a distinction between serious and non-serious offences, the Criminal Law Act 1997 abolished the distinction between a felony and misdemeanour and created the arrestable/non-arrestable distinction. The Act defines an arrestable offence as an offence for which a person could be punished by imprisonment for 5 years or more, similar to the definition of a serious offence mentioned above."


    Now, an example where an arrest could technically be possible.

    s. 4 Non-Fatal Offences Against the Person Act:

    4.—(1) A person who intentionally or recklessly causes serious harm to another shall be guilty of an offence.
    [GA]

    (2) A person guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable on conviction on indictment to a fine or to imprisonment for life or to both.

    5.—(1) A person who, without lawful excuse, makes to another a threat, by any means intending the other to believe it will be carried out, to kill or cause serious harm to that other or a third person shall be guilty of an offence.
    [GA]

    (2) A person guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable—
    [GA]

    ( a ) on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding £1,500 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 12 months or to both, or
    [GA]

    ( b ) on conviction on indictment to a fine or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 10 years or to both.

    6.—(1) A person who—
    [GA]

    ( a ) injures another by piercing the skin of that other with a syringe, or
    [GA]

    ( b ) threatens to so injure another with a syringe,
    [GA]

    with the intention of or where there is a likelihood of causing that other to believe that he or she may become infected with disease as a result of the injury caused or threatened shall be guilty of an offence.
    [GA]

    (2) A person who—
    [GA]

    ( a ) sprays, pours or puts onto another blood or any fluid or substance resembling blood, or
    [GA]

    ( b ) threatens to spray, pour or put onto another blood or any fluid or substance resembling blood,
    [GA]

    with the intention of or where there is a likelihood of causing that other to believe that he or she may become infected with disease as a result of the action caused or threatened shall be guilty of an offence.
    [GA]

    (3) A person who in committing or attempting to commit an offence under subsection (1) or (2)—
    [GA]

    ( a ) injures a third person with a syringe by piercing his or her skin, or
    [GA]

    ( b ) sprays, pours or puts onto a third person blood or any fluid or substance resembling blood,
    [GA]

    resulting in the third person believing that he or she may become infected with disease as a result of the injury or action caused shall be guilty of an offence.
    [GA]

    (4) A person guilty of an offence under subsection (1), (2) or (3) shall be liable—
    [GA]

    ( a ) on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding £1,500 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 12 months or to both, or
    [GA]

    ( b ) on conviction on indictment to a fine or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 10 years or to both.
    [GA]

    ( 5 ) ( a ) A person who intentionally injures another by piercing the skin of that other with a contaminated syringe shall be guilty of an offence.
    [GA]

    ( b ) A person who intentionally sprays, pours or puts onto another contaminated blood shall be guilty of an offence.
    [GA]

    ( c ) A person who in committing or attempting to commit an offence under paragraph (a) or (b)—
    [GA]

    (i) injures a third person with a contaminated syringe by piercing his or her skin, or
    [GA]

    (ii) sprays, pours or puts onto a third person contaminated blood, shall be guilty of an offence.
    [GA]

    ( d ) A person guilty of an offence under this subsection shall be liable on conviction on indictment to imprisonment for life.


    So my opinion would be "yes, but...", the "but" being that it depends on the individual circumstances. (Just my opinion BTW ;) )


  • #45
    Hooch
    Registered Users Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭Hooch


    klong wrote: »
    Surely the answer would be "yes...but".

    Section 4 "assualt" is assault causing serious harm, much like GBH in the UK.

    It can only be used in extreme cases of assault and is usually passed over for attempted murder etc.

    So no......I cant see anyone arresting for this....

    A simple assault, Section 2 "Assault", has no power of arrest/detention.

    A Section 3 "Assault" is an arrestable offence and has a lower level of assault IE - broken nose etc. A GR could arrest in this instance......once they are SURE the DPP will run with Section 3.

    Assault of a peace office is covered under Section 19 Criminal Justic (Public Order) Act '94 and is also an arrestabe offence. GR would be covered under this as would persons who are coming to the aid of AGS members.


  • #46
    klong
    Registered Users Posts: 1,381 ✭✭✭klong


    nice guy always wrote: »
    Section 4 "assualt" is assault causing serious harm, much like GBH in the UK.

    It can only be used in extreme cases of assault and is usually passed over for attempted murder etc.

    So no......I cant see anyone arresting for this....

    A simple assault, Section 2 "Assault", has no power of arrest/detention.

    A Section 3 "Assault" is an arrestable offence and has a lower level of assault IE - broken nose etc. A GR could arrest in this instance......once they are SURE the DPP will run with Section 3.

    Assault of a peace office is covered under Section 19 Criminal Justic (Public Order) Act '94 and is also an arrestabe offence. GR would be covered under this as would persons who are coming to the aid of AGS members.

    Fair cop, missed s. 3. Is there case law or guidance available to differentiate between a s. 3 assault and a s. 4 assault causing serious harm? Just curious...


  • #47
    Hooch
    Registered Users Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭Hooch


    klong wrote: »
    Fair cop, missed s. 3. Is there case law or guidance available to differentiate between a s. 3 assault and a s. 4 assault causing serious harm? Just curious...

    Yes there is. However it is usually skipped as I said. There is no case law differentiating it and Murder etc. So its really a piece of legislation rearly used. Each assault is taken on its own merits.


  • #48
    da__flash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 430 ✭✭da__flash


    i was going to include all this in early post but my hand was aaaaaa hand was "sore" at the time :cool: haha.. nothing to do with lazyness :P


  • #49
    tcd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 52 ✭✭tcd


    da__flash wrote: »
    i was going to include all this in early post but my hand was aaaaaa hand was "sore" at the time :cool: haha.. nothing to do with lazyness :P

    thanks for the link here..but still am confused because all this legislation is confusing

    if someone hits you on duty not with a syringe or anything but simply a punch can you arrest?


  • #50
    da__flash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 430 ✭✭da__flash


    tcd wrote: »
    thanks for the link here..but still am confused because all this legislation is confusing

    if someone hits you on duty not with a syringe or anything but simply a punch can you arrest?

    i ll leave you with easiest course of action take the simple punch and the full time member will arrest problem solved and no need to worry :D


  • #51
    eru123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 106 ✭✭eru123


    Hi,

    Reserve Gardaí have been on duty for some time now, if anyone has arrested anyone could they tell about there experience please.

    It would seem that you would leave the arresting up to the full timer but in practical terms, im sure the full timer will not be there to see everything that happens to you.

    Eg outside a nightclub with large crowd and someone pushes you and abuses you while the full timer is engaged elsewhere.
    i know you can arrest them for an assult of a peace officer which is an arrestable offence, which you have the power, but has anyone done so?

    I wouldnt expect that you'd have to arrest anyone for Road Traffic offences so your arrest would mainly fall under the arrestable offences power, would you agree? Also would you arrest again for something similar or was it alot of hassle for you?

    Thanks for your help.


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  • #52
    da__flash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 430 ✭✭da__flash


    eru123 wrote: »
    Hi,

    Reserve Gardaí have been on duty for some time now, if anyone has arrested anyone could they tell about there experience please.

    It would seem that you would leave the arresting up to the full timer but in practical terms, im sure the full timer will not be there to see everything that happens to you.

    Eg outside a nightclub with large crowd and someone pushes you and abuses you while the full timer is engaged elsewhere.
    i know you can arrest them for an assult of a peace officer which is an arrestable offence, which you have the power, but has anyone done so?

    I wouldnt expect that you'd have to arrest anyone for Road Traffic offences so your arrest would mainly fall under the arrestable offences power, would you agree? Also would you arrest again for something similar or was it alot of hassle for you?

    Thanks for your help.

    havent heard of it happening to be honest


  • #53
    munster4868
    Closed Accounts Posts: 780 ✭✭✭munster4868


    eru123 wrote: »
    Hi,

    Reserve Gardaí have been on duty for some time now, if anyone has arrested anyone could they tell about there experience please.

    It would seem that you would leave the arresting up to the full timer but in practical terms, im sure the full timer will not be there to see everything that happens to you.

    Eg outside a nightclub with large crowd and someone pushes you and abuses you while the full timer is engaged elsewhere.
    i know you can arrest them for an assult of a peace officer which is an arrestable offence, which you have the power, but has anyone done so?

    I wouldnt expect that you'd have to arrest anyone for Road Traffic offences so your arrest would mainly fall under the arrestable offences power, would you agree? Also would you arrest again for something similar or was it alot of hassle for you?

    Thanks for your help.

    Been arrested and charged are two different things... so don't get hung up on the arrest side of things... I know of RG's that have arrested persons... the support that you get from your skipper in that case is invaluable. I would always recommend that you leave it to the full time member to arrest... detain the person yourself and hand it over then to the full-time member to arrest... paper work and going to court means alot of hassle when it can be avoided... A good night is when nobody gets arrested!!! and all situations were managed well...


  • #54
    eru123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 106 ✭✭eru123


    munster4868 wrote: »
    Been arrested and charged are two different things... so don't get hung up on the arrest side of things... I know of RG's that have arrested persons... the support that you get from your skipper in that case is invaluable. I would always recommend that you leave it to the full time member to arrest... detain the person yourself and hand it over then to the full-time member to arrest... paper work and going to court means alot of hassle when it can be avoided... A good night is when nobody gets arrested!!! and all situations were managed well...

    I see, i can imagine that the paperwork would be alot of hassle alright, 4 both the RG and the full timer / skipper!

    However i could appreciate how a full timer may be reluctant to arrest someone for something he / she hasnt witnessed, even if a RG says that they did this, that and the other etc.
    Ya'd feel like a right fool if ya said ya thought they should be arrested and ya had to let them go in the end.

    But i understand what your saying.


  • #55
    kerry4sam
    Registered Users Posts: 15,127 ✭✭✭✭kerry4sam


    eru123 wrote: »
    I see, i can imagine that the paperwork would be alot of hassle alright, 4 both the RG and the full timer / skipper!

    However i could appreciate how a full timer may be reluctant to arrest someone for something he / she hasnt witnessed, even if a RG says that they did this, that and the other etc.
    Ya'd feel like a right fool if ya said ya thought they should be arrested and ya had to let them go in the end.

    But i understand what your saying.

    I know that you are relatively new in this forum, but please read the forum charter , again if you have already done so.

    Their is no text speak allowed, see the sticky outlining so here which is two years old.

    Thanks.


  • #56
    boardsbandit200
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19 ✭boardsbandit200


    tcd wrote: »
    thanks for the link here..but still am confused because all this legislation is confusing

    if someone hits you on duty not with a syringe or anything but simply a punch can you arrest?


    Yes you can simple as that. You would be using the same legislation as a civilian in doing so. You would make an arrest and then it is your job to escort the prisoner to the station asap and hand him over to the Member in Charge.

    Forgetting about all of the sections, and acts for one second. You are standing in front of a judge and the defence solicitor is arguing that you had effected an illegal arrest and yet you have been physically assaulted and have proof- then what do you think the judge is going to say???

    Garda reserves wear A GARDA uniform. when someone hits you they are assaulting a garda- even to the extremes of pushing you then it is a form of an assault on a member of an Garda Siochana. You have the power to arrest absolutely.

    A lot of the time reserves have to operate with their hands tied but any persons assualting a garda can be arrested- even by a member of the public- not advisable though :) but i'm sure it has been done before- i.e a civilian assisting an arrest.


  • #57
    da__flash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 430 ✭✭da__flash


    boardsbandit200 wrote: »
    Yes you can simple as that. You would be using the same legislation as a civilian in doing so. You would make an arrest and then it is your job to escort the prisoner to the station asap and hand him over to the Member in Charge.

    Forgetting about all of the sections, and acts for one second. You are standing in front of a judge and the defence solicitor is arguing that you had effected an illegal arrest and yet you have been physically assaulted and have proof- then what do you think the judge is going to say???

    Garda reserves wear A GARDA uniform. when someone hits you they are assaulting a garda- even to the extremes of pushing you then it is a form of an assault on a member of an Garda Siochana. You have the power to arrest absolutely.

    A lot of the time reserves have to operate with their hands tied but any persons assualting a garda can be arrested- even by a member of the public- not advisable though :) but i'm sure it has been done before- i.e a civilian assisting an arrest.

    You in the Reserves or Full time or either?!


  • #58
    magumadoo
    Registered Users Posts: 9 ✭magumadoo


    Are reserves entitled to issue a summons directly for failure to produce.


  • #59
    eru123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 106 ✭✭eru123


    I presume so if they put the DLIP on pulse.


  • #60
    magumadoo
    Registered Users Posts: 9 ✭magumadoo


    I thought so.
    I have learned about the various laws/acts etc; in phase 2 only to find that I am more confused as to what we can and cannot do. I have been given very little in the way of instruction or guidance since I was stationed apart from being told about what I can't do, "as you can see from the first post". Is there a page on AGS web site that shows procedures for reserves, I know about the various laws we have studied, but there are so many variables. Not trying to be super cop or anything but would like to know so as not to drop a clanger.
    Skip's not very helpful and there are a lot of probationers who are busy trying to learn the ropes themselves.


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  • #61
    eru123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 106 ✭✭eru123


    magumadoo wrote: »
    I thought so.
    I have learned about the various laws/acts etc; in phase 2 only to find that I am more confused as to what we can and cannot do. I have been given very little in the way of instruction or guidance since I was stationed apart from being told about what I can't do, "as you can see from the first post". Is there a page on AGS web site that shows procedures for reserves, I know about the various laws we have studied, but there are so many variables. Not trying to be super cop or anything but would like to know so as not to drop a clanger.
    Skip's not very helpful and there are a lot of probationers who are busy trying to learn the ropes themselves.

    No i dont think there is anythin on the website unfortunately.
    Ya i can imagine. the whole thing about arrestin someone is tricky for a reserve. Some dont even have handcuffs 4 a start and there graduated over a year! I presumme most of the arrests fall under 4(3) of the criminal law act, arrestable offence thing. Cant imagine ya having to arrest someone for not allowing you to read their driving licence etc.
    Have a look at scousers post @ http://boards.ie/tre/2055178746


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