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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    tdv123 wrote: »
    ****,just typed "Hidden Internet" there into google....

    The hidden internet police are calling to my hidden invisible door, with there hidden guns, hidden police helicopters & hovercraft vehicles in my super secret, secret,secret hidden magical location that must never be revealed.......and something about pink flying elephants & magical unicorns bladabladablada......

    The effects of not taking ones medication never cease to amaze me.


  • Registered Users Posts: 546 ✭✭✭clived2


    Internet exists which cannot be found under corporate search engines.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭tdv123


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    The effects of not taking ones medication never cease to amaze me.

    Yes me to, me to.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,208 ✭✭✭✭aidan_walsh




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,836 ✭✭✭TanG411


    Oh. You mean up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A.

    Shush though, I said nothing, right?

    Contra FTW!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,691 ✭✭✭JimmyCrackCorn




    kid is smoking the crack. That command does not show you that and is too boring to explain.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,739 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭Groinshot


    If you press up, up, up, down, up, down, down, left, up, right, left, down, right, right, up, up, shift+k, down, space, up - you'll then have access to the hidden levels of the Internet. Just for god's sake don't tell anyone.

    Wheny ou do this, you end up with the facepalm post on your screen :P


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭Nichololas


    kid is smoking the crack. That command does not show you that and is too boring to explain.

    Yes, I lolled a bit when I saw what he was trying to do


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,659 ✭✭✭CrazyRabbit



    That actually had me laughing out loud. I wonder if the person who explained this 'trick' to the kid was just as ignorant of DOS commands or if they were playing a trick on him. I'm guessing the 2nd.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Johro


    Biggins wrote: »
    The 'man with the key to the internet' looks like a very surprised mannequin...
    You sure he's real?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭coco_lola


    what does the internet actually do anyway?



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    This is very topical indeed!

    http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19816-info-pirates-seek-an-alternative-internet.html
    Info pirates seek an alternative internet

    * 17:23 06 December 2010 by Paul Marks

    After dumping thousands of secret US diplomatic cables in the public domain last week, WikiLeaks ended up losing its web hosting company – twice – and its wikileaks.org web domain to boot as providers got cold feet about its content. But a plan being hatched by fellow travellers in the file-sharing community may shield the controversial data dumper from such takedowns in future.

    It all started with a tweet on 28 November: "Hello all ISPs of the world. We're going to add a new competing root-server since we're tired of ICANN. Please contact me to help."

    This missive, complaining about the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, was from Peter Sunde, an anti-copyright activist based in Sweden and one of the founders of The Pirate Bay website, which tracks the locations of copyrighted movie and music BitTorrent files. It instantly lit a flame among file-sharers. "That small tweet turned into a lot of interest," Sunde blogged two days later. "We haven't organised yet, but are trying to… we want the internet to be uncensored. Having a centralised system that controls our information flow is not acceptable."
    Taken down on a whim

    What's their beef? The file-sharers believe that ICANN, which controls the internet's domain name system (DNS), takes down web domains at the whim of politicians and industry bosses, if they are considered to infringe the law. The DNS is effectively a phone book for the net, a look-up table which converts a website's URL into a machine-readable IP address that locates the relevant server and brings users their requested page. The DNS comprises 13 large registry computers, called root servers, dotted around the world. Each holds an identical copy of the internet's master look-up table. If a domain is deemed illegal, ICANN can render it useless by simply steering traffic away from it.

    Sunde has lost at least one domain this way, seeing it taken over by music trade body the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry and, with others, faces a huge fine and prison for running The Pirate Bay. The wikileaks.org domain name was lost last week when the provider, EveryDNS, terminated it.

    So activists, led by Sunde, hope to construct an alternative registry: one that will initially work like existing systems, but which in the long run will become a decentralised, peer-to-peer (P2P) system in which volunteers each run a portion of a DNS on their own computers. By breaking up the internet phone book and hosting it in pieces, they will strip ICANN of its power. Any domain it tries to take away will still be accessible on the alternative registry.
    Eminently feasible

    The exercise that Sunde and his colleagues are undertaking - if it ever gets off the ground - is reminiscent of Search Wikia, an attempt to make a distributed ad-free search engine to rival Google. Run by Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales, the site aimed to be open and honest about its search algorithm, so that advertisers couldn't exploit loopholes in it for unfair advantage. But with its index spread around a few thousand volunteer servers, it could not reach anything like Google's scale or speed, and folded its tent in April 2009.

    Oddly, Wikia - the parent company of Wikipedia - owns the domain names wikileaks.net, wikileaks.com and wikileaks.us - for reasons not yet clear. They expire in January.

    Ben Laurie, a London-based security consultant and a former technical adviser to WikiLeaks, thinks the alternative internet idea is eminently feasible. "Technically, this is all pretty easy. What they have put together already is really quite professional. Persuading everybody to use it is going to be the difficult bit. Why should people trust it more than ICANN's root server?"

    He thinks WikiLeaks is the kind of premium content that could convince people to take it up. If it works, a sort of "shadow internet" could form, one in which legal action against counterfeiters and copyright scofflaws would be nearly impossible.
    Whose internet?

    Still, ICANN does a lot of work managing the 280 top level domains – such as .com and .org plus the 248 national suffixes – and the frequent changes made to them. "A lot of people think ICANN is a waste of time, and I often agree, but it does some important things these people will not be able to," says Laurie.

    Indeed. The back story to all this is that Sunde and colleagues Carl Lundstrom and Fredrik Neij, on 26 November lost an appeal in the Swedish courts and face a £4.2 million fine - and prison terms varying from four to 10 months - for running the Pirate Bay. They are now making a final appeal to Sweden's Supreme Court.

    Laurie feels ICANN's proprietorial attitude to the net needs challenging. He recalls a manager from one of ICANN's political overseers, the US Department of Commerce, collaring him at an Internet Engineering Task Force meeting. "I've come to find out what you are doing with my internet," she said. That's an attitude the P2P DNS crowd will surely be hoping to change.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,188 ✭✭✭wil


    sounds like JEDWARD does t'internet.

    So cool the way kids these days automatically know stuff and you know like and I'm like you know so going to subscribe. Cool
    :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,188 ✭✭✭wil


    Found it, the Outernet, has to be bigger than the internet, go ahead coz thats why we are here


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭liah


    Just spent the night doing research on some of the deep web.

    To anyone who's curious-- just don't. Please, just don't. I've seen screenshots of some of the places that are more easily accessible on the deep web and there's instructions on how to kidnap and kill children, how to gain social acceptance as a pedo, how to gain political influence as a pedo, how to verify "chatting partners" as pedos by sending proof of abuse of children.

    All it takes is googling what a hidden wiki is and clicking on the wrong link. Note to anyone who does that: Do not, under any circumstances, access "Hard Candy." It's a pedophile ring.

    There are also sites for "real rape groups," snuff, and other absolutely horrific things.

    Seriously, this is something that I really shouldn't've done. I'm feeling physically ll at the moment. I really don't think this should even be referenced on a site like Boards where kids may happen across it. Normally I can ignore things that are morally ambiguous and am very anti-censorship, but this is insane, disgusting, and highly, highly illegal.

    I hope the mods see fit to get rid of this ASAP. :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 448 ✭✭Diddler82


    liah wrote: »
    Just spent the night doing research on some of the deep web.

    To anyone who's curious-- just don't. Please, just don't. I've seen screenshots of some of the places that are more easily accessible on the deep web and there's instructions on how to kidnap and kill children, how to gain social acceptance as a pedo, how to gain political influence as a pedo, how to verify "chatting partners" as pedos by sending proof of abuse of children.

    All it takes is googling what a hidden wiki is and clicking on the wrong link. Note to anyone who does that: Do not, under any circumstances, access "Hard Candy." It's a pedophile ring.

    There are also sites for "real rape groups," snuff, and other absolutely horrific things.

    Seriously, this is something that I really shouldn't've done. I'm feeling physically ll at the moment. I really don't think this should even be referenced on a site like Boards where kids may happen across it. Normally I can ignore things that are morally ambiguous and am very anti-censorship, but this is insane, disgusting, and highly, highly illegal.

    I hope the mods see fit to get rid of this ASAP. :(

    Fair play to you for stomaching anything that far, no. 1 I would not be brave enough for fear of going to jail and secondly I get really disturbed by anything like that at all, especially children.

    I have looked on Sickipedia once before and I had nightmares/horrible visions in my head for weeks.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭liah


    Diddler82 wrote: »
    Fair play to you for stomaching anything that far, no. 1 I would not be brave enough for fear of going to jail and secondly I get really disturbed by anything like that at all, especially children.

    I have looked on Sickipedia once before and I had nightmares/horrible visions in my head for weeks.

    For the record I did not directly access these sites nor any of the deep web. I did however view a lot of (text-only) screenshots from wikis from within it and I don't recommend anyone go down that route. Even in simple text it's enough to turn your stomach.

    I do want to say that the majority of the deep web amounts to nothing, really-- at least, not content. It's all just databases and things. But I do not recommend accessing the deep web at all whatsoever unless you have a working knowledge of how proxies and onion layering works and how to stay away from malicious websites, but even then, it's pretty risky and far too easy to end up on something you shouldn't.


  • Registered Users Posts: 448 ✭✭Diddler82


    liah wrote: »
    For the record I did not directly access these sites nor any of the deep web. I did however view a lot of (text-only) screenshots from wikis from within it and I don't recommend anyone go down that route. Even in simple text it's enough to turn your stomach.

    I do want to say that the majority of the deep web amounts to nothing, really-- at least, not content. It's all just databases and things. But I do not recommend accessing the deep web at all whatsoever unless you have a working knowledge of how proxies and onion layering works and how to stay away from malicious websites, but even then, it's pretty risky and far too easy to end up on something you shouldn't.

    My general rule is, if it doesnt come up on the first page of Google its probably not safe!


  • Registered Users Posts: 682 ✭✭✭Phony Scott


    Kiera wrote: »
    You sure? I thought that was the cheat for level 4 in Mario?

    mario%20shrooms%201.jpg

    No, it isn't...


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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    liah wrote: »
    There are also sites for "real rape groups," snuff, and other absolutely horrific things.

    Yea, the web is an extremely dark, fùcked up place if you dig deep enough...............extremely dark place, actually. But, most of the "snuff" & "rape group" movies out there are faked, edited clips from twisted fantasy pornos. Many are very well done, the "actors" actually have a career making these videos.

    There are only a handful of known actual "snuff" movies and there are very few "real rape group" videos, the "real" ones generally come from the Middle East. (I don't watch them but I know what exists out there)

    The depths of the internet really is not a place for anyone to just wander into, you'll be pulled out of your comfort zone and probably be left rattled as to what you've seen, shocked at how such things can exist.

    Majority of the "Paedo" sites are also bluff sites, heavily monitored and designed to catch the dirty fùckers. (They go after the ones who post images / threatening stuff) Padeos are sub-human but they're not stupid either (unfortunately), you wouldn't be able to just find a real group site so easily. That being said, there are many sick fùcks out there who write up their fantasies just about anywhere.

    You really, really don't want to go any deeper into the internet. There are things you couldn't imagine that exist and are able to stay there because of where their webservers are located purely because of international law...........this allows for litteraly everything, anything and nothing you can ever imagine to exist on the web. The line of what's acceptable and what's not does not exist.

    Anyways, puppies are quite nice, aren't they? :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭Darlughda


    Duggy747 wrote: »
    .

    You really, really don't want to go any deeper into the internet. There are things you couldn't imagine that exist and are able to stay there because of where their webservers are located purely because of international law...........this allows for litteraly everything, anything and nothing you can ever imagine to exist on the web. The line of what's acceptable and what's not does not exist.

    Jayzus. Is there really stuff worse than pedo/child stuff, snuff and rape/torture movies???


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭laugh


    kid is smoking the crack. That command does not show you that and is too boring to explain.

    Traces the route maybe :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    Darlughda wrote: »
    Jayzus. Is there really stuff worse than pedo/child stuff, snuff and rape/torture movies???

    Well, not to make it seem like they're any less vile than they actually are but, in a way, there are some things far worse than the rape / torture stuff (Mainly because majority of those are faked) there are extremely disturbing sites / communities dedicated to horrible things. I'm not talking about Gore sites, either.

    The internet is like a reflection of the human psyche; The good side and the extremely dark side. It just connected these people together and results are communities sharing their "interest" in such things.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,827 ✭✭✭Donny5


    liah wrote: »
    For the record I did not directly access these sites nor any of the deep web. I did however view a lot of (text-only) screenshots from wikis from within it and I don't recommend anyone go down that route. Even in simple text it's enough to turn your stomach.

    I do want to say that the majority of the deep web amounts to nothing, really-- at least, not content. It's all just databases and things. But I do not recommend accessing the deep web at all whatsoever unless you have a working knowledge of how proxies and onion layering works and how to stay away from malicious websites, but even then, it's pretty risky and far too easy to end up on something you shouldn't.

    I think you're thinking of darknets. The deep web is simply unindexable content, which is almost all of the internet. Most of the content and data on my servers are part of the deep web, and none of it is illegal or immoral; you're just confused in this instance.

    Darknets are anonymised VPNs that are all over the place. I'm sure there's lots of dodgy stuff hosted on many of them, including all the worst of humanity, but there are also legitimate uses for anonymous networks.

    The hidden wiki is a Tor site, accessable only through the Tor anonymised network. It probably isn't strictly part of the deep web, as Tor sites are indexable. I don't think many crawlers bother, though.

    Anyway, staying away from the "deep web" isn't possible to most people. If you have a Facebook account, then you have accessed the deep web. Ditto if you have used any service where data can only be accessed through forms or any password protected content.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭liah


    Donny5 wrote: »
    I think you're thinking of darknets. The deep web is simply unindexable content, which is almost all of the internet. Most of the content and data on my servers are part of the deep web, and none of it is illegal or immoral; you're just confused in this instance.

    Darknets are anonymised VPNs that are all over the place. I'm sure there's lots of dodgy stuff hosted on many of them, including all the worst of humanity, but there are also legitimate uses for anonymous networks.

    The hidden wiki is a Tor site, accessable only through the Tor anonymised network. It probably isn't strictly part of the deep web, as Tor sites are indexable. I don't think many crawlers bother, though.

    Anyway, staying away from the "deep web" isn't possible to most people. If you have a Facebook account, then you have accessed the deep web. Ditto if you have used any service where data can only be accessed through forms or any password protected content.

    I already stated in a previous comment that I'm well aware the majority of the deep net is just databases and pretty much unreadable (to your average person) stuff.

    My point is, that all it takes is two little words into google to direct you to child porn rings, rape rings, assassination rings, black market drug rings. This is the kind of stuff you shouldn't be encouraging people to investigate because it IS there and it's very easy to stumble upon if you don't know what you're doing. Fortunately I do, I'm not an idiot which is why I didn't click anything, but most people haven't a damn clue about proxies or anything else.

    I'm not confused at all to what "deep net" is. It means that it's not indexable by search engines. This stuff is not indexable by search engines. Hence, it is on the deep net, along with the normal innocent stuff like I said.

    I'm not an idiot, and I don't like the implication.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,827 ✭✭✭Donny5


    liah wrote: »
    My point is, that all it takes is two little words into google to direct you to child porn rings, rape rings, assassination rings, black market drug rings.
    liah wrote: »
    I'm not confused at all to what "deep net" is. It means that it's not indexable by search engines. This stuff is not indexable by search engines. Hence, it is on the deep net, along with the normal innocent stuff like I said.

    These two parts of your post are incongruous. The deep web is not a threat you need to keep people away from. To suggest that it is is absurd, as though the only thing stopping the average punter from becoming a child-porn, snuff and drugs addict is that he or she can't work out how to find it.

    Anyway, I'm not at all convinced you know what the "deep net", as you call it, is, or what it constitutes. Child porn rings, drugs groups and terrorists aren't communicating on some insecure servers somewhere that just happen not to allow Google crawl them. They are using darknets, a completely different concept. Darknets aren't part of the web. They are effectively their own Application Layer in the IPS stack. They are distinct and usually unconnected to the web.

    Anyway, if you find this child porn or anything like that, or the means to access it through a browser, through a Google search, then you are not in the deep web. If you find some dodgy forum where you find links to password protected dodgy content, then you are in the deep web, but you are dealing with content that someone has mirrored on the web from a darknet. These child porn rings would be far too easy to wrap up if they were simply on the web.
    liah wrote: »
    I'm not an idiot, and I don't like the implication.

    I didn't imply anything; infer what you will. For what it's worth, I don't think you're an idiot, but I also don't think you know what you're talking about.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    Donny5 wrote: »
    Anyway, if you find this child porn or anything like that, or the means to access it through a browser, through a Google search, then you are not in the deep web. If you find some dodgy forum where you find links to password protected dodgy content, then you are in the deep web, but you are dealing with content that someone has mirrored on the web from a darknet. These child porn rings would be far too easy to wrap up if they were simply on the web.

    Exactly, these highly illegal and criminal sites can't be accessed just like that through such easy methods. Terrorist groups / child porn rings aren't going to have their business so easily available to the public. Very low-profile and probably something as minimum as their own VPNs would be set up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭liah


    Donny5 wrote: »
    These two parts of your post are incongruous. The deep web is not a threat you need to keep people away from. To suggest that it is is absurd, as though the only thing stopping the average punter from becoming a child-porn, snuff and drugs addict is that he or she can't work out how to find it.

    It is a threat to people who don't understand the internet in general anyway. I'm pretty computer savvy but most people really aren't and could very easily access something horrible.

    The Hidden Wiki is googleable and it's a directory of Tor darknets on the deep net. It's not incongruous to say that. It also gives instructions on how to access these sites. For someone who goes too far with their morbid curiosity I can guarantee you they will find something they don't want to find.
    Anyway, I'm not at all convinced you know what the "deep net", as you call it, is, or what it constitutes. Child porn rings, drugs groups and terrorists aren't communicating on some insecure servers somewhere that just happen not to allow Google crawl them. They are using darknets, a completely different concept. Darknets aren't part of the web. They are effectively their own Application Layer in the IPS stack. They are distinct and usually unconnected to the web.

    I know exactly what the deep net is. As I said before you replied the first time, the majority of it is databases and things that mean basically nothing to your average person.

    The deep net is basically anything that isn't indexed by search engines (that are accessed by default.) In case you hadn't noticed I had already mentioned proxies and onion layering. I'm aware of what it takes to get there.

    The Hidden Wiki, however, is directly accessible via google and has a directory to basically everything-- and not only directories, but wiki entries for a lot of incredibly heinous things, as well as instructions as to how to set up Tor. This is not good if people can find it.
    The Deep Web (also called Deepnet, the invisible Web, DarkNet dark Web or the hidden Web) refers to World Wide Web content that is not part of the Surface Web, which is indexed by standard search engines.

    ...

    Deep Web resources may be classified into one or more of the following categories:
    Dynamic content: dynamic pages which are returned in response to a submitted query or accessed only through a form, especially if open-domain input elements (such as text fields) are used; such fields are hard to navigate without domain knowledge.
    Unlinked content: pages which are not linked to by other pages, which may prevent Web crawling programs from accessing the content. This content is referred to as pages without backlinks (or inlinks).
    Private Web: sites that require registration and login (password-protected resources).
    Contextual Web: pages with content varying for different access contexts (e.g., ranges of client IP addresses or previous navigation sequence).
    Limited access content: sites that limit access to their pages in a technical way (e.g., using the Robots Exclusion Standard, CAPTCHAs, or no-cache Pragma HTTP headers which prohibit search engines from browsing them and creating cached copies[6]).
    Scripted content: pages that are only accessible through links produced by JavaScript as well as content dynamically downloaded from Web servers via Flash or Ajax solutions.
    Non-HTML/text content: textual content encoded in multimedia (image or video) files or specific file formats not handled by search engines.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_net

    It is part of the deep net whether you want to admit it or not, don't make me out to be the idiot when I've already said exactly what you said to me before you said it.
    Anyway, if you find this child porn or anything like that, or the means to access it through a browser, through a Google search, then you are not in the deep web. If you find some dodgy forum where you find links to password protected dodgy content, then you are in the deep web, but you are dealing with content that someone has mirrored on the web from a darknet. These child porn rings would be far too easy to wrap up if they were simply on the web.

    You are in the deep web as long as whatever you're on isn't on standard search engines. This stuff is not in standard search engines, but still accessible, a lot of it even without Tor or other proxies.

    The darknet exists on the deep web, they are not mutually exclusive and all and I honestly do not understand why warning people about the absolutely vile stuff out there is so bad.

    With the deep web you don't know what you're getting unless you already have a fairly competent working knowledge and, as I said before, all it takes is stumbling onto the wrong thing which is very easy to do for your average computer user. Your average computer user does not need to know about this stuff. Even aside from all the disgusting stuff, there's loads of malicious spyware and malware and god knows what else floating around on there.

    If you don't know exactly what you're doing, just keep to the search engines. That's all I'm saying.
    I didn't imply anything; infer what you will. For what it's worth, I don't think you're an idiot, but I also don't think you know what you're talking about.

    I'm not sure I'm the one who doesn't know what they're talking about.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,827 ✭✭✭Donny5


    liah, you think that Tor is a darknet. What else can I say?


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