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General Election 2012

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    What goes on in another jurisdiction isn't my problem. We have enough of our own down here.:rolleyes:

    Regardless of the fact that it's the same individual ? Laughable cop-out.

    Is there any point in my pointing out similarities between O'Snodaigh and other expense flaunters and con-men like O'Donoghue ? Why do I suspect you'll (again correctly) object to O'Donoghue but yet find some "other jurisdiction" type excuse for O'Snodaigh ?

    But go on....I'll give it a shot.

    Do you object to O'Donoghue's largesse at our expense ?
    Do you object to O'Snodaigh's largesse at our expense ?

    (gets popcorn and waits to see what excuse emerges this time)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    Regardless of the fact that it's the same individual ? Laughable cop-out.

    Is there any point in my pointing out similarities between O'Snodaigh and other expense flaunters and con-men like O'Donoghue ? Why do I suspect you'll (again correctly) object to O'Donoghue but yet find some "other jurisdiction" type excuse for O'Snodaigh ?

    But go on....I'll give it a shot.

    Do you object to O'Donoghue's largesse at our expense ?
    Do you object to O'Snodaigh's largesse at our expense ?

    (gets popcorn and waits to see what excuse emerges this time)

    I object to any of these overpaid penpushers largesse at our expense, be they FF, FG, Labour, Shinners or independants.

    I've already stated that I think adams and the old crew should step aside in sinn fein if they want to have any real credibility down south.

    I can't understand why all politicians are allowed unvouched expenses at any time, never mind at the height of a recession.

    How's the popcorn?;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 923 ✭✭✭Johnny Foreigner


    Sinn Féin.
    Enda Kenny is letting the EU rape Ireland.
    Its time for change, Sinn Féin are rising in popularity.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,854 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    quietriot wrote: »
    If a general election were called tomorrow, who would you intend on voting for?

    There's a lot of ignorant, anti-governmental rambling going on in After Hours, generally by people who haven't the faintest idea what they're talking about. I hold the opinion that we have the second best government possible right now, behind a FG only government. With people talking about how "shíte" the government are, I'm interested to know who you would vote for if given the opportunity tomorrow.

    It'll also be good to measure the results vs the upcoming publishing of the latest Red C poll results to see just how outlandish the people of Boards.ie are.

    Options are:

    Fine Gael
    Fianna Fail
    Sinn Fein
    Labour
    Green
    Spoiled Vote
    Wouldn't Vote

    Independents excluded for obvious reasons.

    Poll should attach shortly.
    Bad mistake leaving out ULA. They have more votes, and infinitely more seats, that the Glasraí. They are an option in real life, and will grow next time around.
    Also there should be an option for independents, also an option in real life.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,903 ✭✭✭Napper Hawkins


    Where's all this popcorn people keep producing? I want popcorn.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,854 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    BTW, I also think that if Sinn Fein want any real credibility they should encourage the likes of Adams, McGuinness and Ferris to step aside and make way for new, younger people, like Doherty.
    I hear this a lot, and appreciate that lots of voters would like to see younger options. I'd like to see them myself.
    On the other hand, these are the people who brought SF to where they are today, and their experience must be valuable to the party.

    In the same way and saving the huge differences, that Kenny has brought FG from thirty something seats in 2002 to 77 seats today. Kenny doesn't inspire me in any way - to me he's a pure grey personality, but i recognise that he (or his handlers) have brought FG close to an overall majority for the first time ever in their history. He has done a great job in that respect (NB - for the party - not for the country. The country continues its slow descent into hell under his leadership).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Where's all this popcorn people keep producing? I want popcorn.
    Liam ate it all....he wouldn't even give us any:(


  • Registered Users Posts: 43,274 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    I have to say that I have a grudging admiration for Eamon O'Cuiv at the moment.
    I know he's FF and was part of the government that f***ed us over but at least he's standing up for what's right. (eventually)

    Haughey stood up for what was right in referenda in the 80's on Divorce and Abortion, no political motives whatsoever, like O'Cuiv! ;)

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Where's all this popcorn people keep producing? I want popcorn.
    Liam ate it all....he wouldn't even give us any:(

    Nope! It's just that given the subject
    matter I dived for cover under the sofa when it started popping!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    K-9 wrote: »
    Haughey stood up for what was right in referenda in the 80's on Divorce and Abortion, no political motives whatsoever, like O'Cuiv! ;)

    I wonder if Haughey was around now would we be taking a different approach with our EU 'partners'?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 43,274 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    I wonder if Haughey was around now would we be taking a different approach with our EU 'partners'?

    Nah, he'd be wanting to look like Sarkozy, likes his suits and shirts that guy. Plus Miterrand liked his women and Sarkozy has a hot woman! One thing Haughey did have was statesmanship and presence, shame it was largely funded by taxpayers, banks et al!

    I think O'Cuiv is playing party politics, he's in a Euro sceptic constituency and Connaught/Ulster has a tradition of returning MEP's like that, since Blaney days in the 80's.

    Martin has always been pro EU, so he is being consistent, plus its an area he actually excels in, Foreign Affairs and Europe, whatever else about the rest of his weaknesses. Strongest performer by far on Lisbon 2 out of all the main parties.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Registered Users Posts: 458 ✭✭Craebear


    Sinn Fein highest in the poll eh. Looks like the average after hours pleb is easily taken in by mindless populist poppycock.

    But hey stick it to the man, be a rebel and vote sinn fein.

    You're ****ing retarded.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭AskMyChocolate


    I think the government should stay off the gold standard, so that the pound can reach a level that would keep our exports competitive.

    The lady has foolishly attempted to join the conversation with a wild and dangerous opinion of her own, what half baked drivel ! See how the men look at her with utter contempt !

    They have difficulty meeting the bronze standard.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭AskMyChocolate


    lugha wrote: »
    There is a whole plethora of points in your post that I would take issue with but it is hardly pragmatic to try and discuss 3 or 4 different topics on one thread so I’ll stick to Doherty (though I am very curious as to how you reason that Noonan was acting in his own interests in the McColl case??)

    You are touting Doherty, so the onus is on you to make the case as to why he might do any better. And your argument from authority (look at what these great lads think!) doesn’t work! Nevermind what others think, you tell me why he could do better. What card could he play that Noonan can not? He can make fine, if silly, speeches about our children being more precious than our banks but can/would he do to about it?

    The “deluded” types I refer to are those that think Doherty being an able orator equates to him being an able politician or having meaningful influence. The two are in no way connected.

    Much of the disillusionment some feel about Obama stems directly from unrealistic expectations some had based on this considerable oratory skills. And conversely, his predecessor was considerably less silver tongued, but there is little doubt he had considerable influence in shaping the world when he was in power. Even our own Bertie had undoubted ability (as a political player) despite him not being the most eloquent speaker.

    So, you don't care to engage ? I'll bow to yourself and Bertie.

    Btw, I still don't think that the IMF are deluded. You should save your smug, superior, self-satisfied certainty for the wilfully deluded SF fools.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,421 ✭✭✭ToddyDoody


    quietriot wrote: »
    If a general erection were called tomorrow[\QUOTE] (modified for after hours)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    Sinn Fein topping the poll but I don't think that is realistic in the "real world" as they say. I do think people should be careful to not let the current mess you are in sway you towards Sinn Fein. That is exactly what they want. Play on fear, play on the Socialist card, play on the Nationalist card.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    So, you don't care to engage
    Rather ironic when you decline to address any of the points I make!
    Btw, I still don't think that the IMF are deluded.
    And I do not say the IMF are deluded or even that Sinn Fein are deluded. The deluded are those who think that because Doherty is articulate, he is capable or would make for a more effective negotiator in Europe. You have not made much of a counter argument.

    And I still think it not sensible to have multiple, diverse topics in one thread, but if you do want to explain how you reason that Noonan was acting in his own interests in the McColl case, I’d still be interested to hear?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    lugha wrote: »
    Rather ironic when you decline to address any of the points I make!


    And I do not say the IMF are deluded or even that Sinn Fein are deluded. The deluded are those who think that because Doherty is articulate, he is capable or would make for a more effective negotiator in Europe. You have not made much of a counter argument.

    And I still think it not sensible to have multiple, diverse topics in one thread, but if you do want to explain how you reason that Noonan was acting in his own interests in the McColl case, I’d still be interested to hear?


    The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 853 ✭✭✭toexpress


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    They were voted into government in Northern Ireland.

    When was Adams convicted of "killing people"?

    BTW, I'm not a sinn fein supporter.

    When was I convicted of dangerous driving? Doesn't mean I am not guilty of it!


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,521 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    I'd vote independent, as I did in the last election.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭Mark200


    Biggins wrote: »
    ...But not on ALL of what they said they would - the BIG guys have amazingly got away!
    As you may have seen in the quote you posted, the manifesto referred to 'classes' of bondholders - which include Junior Bondholders.
    Biggins wrote: »
    ...Well darn - it hasn't happened to my parents (who has to pay for MANY drugs for my brother who is physically and mentally handicapped - as well as MANY that are in a carers organisation which they and I area part of!)
    There is very many dozens I personally know that would like to see your verification of this.
    Oh well if your parents haven't gotten a reduction then I guess it doesn't matter that those on the lowest incomes have :rolleyes:

    And also, I had said that in reply to your claim that the Govt. had said they'd review the USC but no review is pending. Here's their 60-page review, dated November 2011:

    http://www.finance.gov.ie/documents/publications/reports/2012/uscreview.pdf
    Biggins wrote: »
    Really - it really has? Link?
    I ask because as of the 14th last month even FG on their OWN site was saying the following: http://www.finegael.ie/latest-news/2...80%93-english/

    * By the way, TV3 even tonight during discussions mentioned that they are not and said that Enda openly stated in the Dail that they are not doing it also in very certain areas and now won't do in the ten weeks we have before the vote takes place on this next referendum!
    Eamon O'Cuiv agreed!
    TV3 was willing to show (as they have done a number of times) the live recording of him stating this - and still are!
    Yes, it has. As well as that, the Troika wanted all revenue from State assets sales to go to paying down the debt. This has also been negotiated to allow a significant portion to go to other things. It's not a big secret - trying reading a paper.

    Biggins wrote: »
    ...(a) And if FG knew this - why did they state the previous?
    O' right - they needed votes!
    ...(b) Next might come a claim "well they only found this out later!"
    (But if they actually knew what they were talking about and having studied the matter CORRECTLY, they would have known this, they would have tried to address this issue and taken it to the public. Did they? NO!
    ...But they did take the advantageous winnable part and saved the excuse part till later!
    I agree to an extent that they probably shouldn't have examined the issue closer before making a commitment - but that doesn't change the fact that legislation is not possible.
    Biggins wrote: »
    Hurray! At last after MUCH prodding and pressure!
    How long will that be drawn out now?
    Prodding? I didn't notice any.
    Biggins wrote: »
    Yet at the end of the day, Enda calls the shots as head of the state, allows and dis-allows...!
    ...But you want us to contently forget all that!

    No, at the end of the day the Cabinet calls the shots - in which a significant amount of members are part of the Labour party.

    (And FYI - he's not head of state. Michael D Higgins is. Enda is Head of Government)
    Just a couple of points on the bolded items:

    1) Having accused the previous government of everything from disgraceful behaviour to economic treason do you not think it would have been incumbent on the government to advise the electorate PRIOR to the election that it intended to uphold and continue with this treasonous activity?

    2) Given your almost obsessive preoccupation with the honouring of contracts and commitments undertaken by the previous government, could you tell me when FG/ Labour intend to honour the commitment given to the Irish Citizenry that 25% of all new housing would be set aside for social housing? With the size of NAMA's portfolio a good proportion of this contract could now be honoured, or is it only commitments/contracts, engaged in with (mostly) foreign big business that need to be honoured?

    3) Could you explain whether Kevin Cardiff was promised his €276k p.a sweet deal in Europe, by the previous government, or whether, it was this government's idea to recommend him for a job he is plainly unfit and unsuited to hold given his prior position/performance in the DoF?

    After all, most people are aware that FG find brown envelopes rather sordid, when plum jobs in Europe/semi-state bodies/banks are a far more "civilised" way of rewarding "party loyalty" and "service".

    Does Fine Gael's campaign for change not sound revoltingly disingenuous even in your own ears now, given it's post-election adherence to virtually every FF policy. As for the cowardly way, it blames FF for it being obliged to pursue policies and actions it wants to follow anyway, well, that I simply find stomach-churning. You obviously don't.

    1. Presuming by 'treasonous policies' you mean sticking with the Troika bailout plan - they did make that clear.

    2. You can't use the words 'commitments' and 'contracts' interchangeably. They're not the same thing. I don't see how I have an obsessive preoccupation, although it's probably fair to say that I'm embarrassed for people who post on public forums who can casually imply that Governments can (or should) just casually ignore legal contracts.

    3. Pretty sure that that was this Government but I don't see what difference that makes.

    And on your couple of paragraphs at the end.... first of all, I don't think they were rewarding him. I think they were trying to get rid of him (which doesn't make it ok, but still). Second of all, FG/LAB have re-negotiated a few things in the deal that can make a big difference. For example, bringing the minimum wage back to where it was. I don't see how you can say that the Govt. wants to "follow" the program - in my opinion they don't want to, they have to. There's no other choice. And while the Govt. should seek to re-negotiate any aspects of the deal when they see a better alternative, I don't think it's right that we should just casually downplay the importance of the deal, the importance of keeping our banking industry solvent, and the importance of keeping our country going. So no - I don't find any of those things stomach-churning.

    Anyway I don't want people to think I'm a cheerleader for this Govt. I'm not. I don't agree with everything they did, but what I do have a problem with is people lying about what they have (or haven't) done. Not because I particularly care if this Government has a good or bad public image - but because if/when they do do something bad and news worthy - then that should get everyones full attention and we should not be distracted by non-issues or issues that people just made up. Hence why I felt the need to reply when Biggins decided to post a list full of mistakes.



    And if anyone here is genuinely interested in examining how this Govt. is doing, there was an (in my opinion) balanced full-page on this in yesterday's (Friday's) Irish Times on Page 8. It gave a table as well on some of the key promises.

    Edit - Actually found one of the articles from that page here:

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0302/1224312633522.html

    The other article on that page was about our place in the EU.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Phill Ewinn


    Read that 'Times article. Whether it's balanced or not the perception of FG is the same. I couldn't figure out why people voted for them in the first place. Now I'm glad at least I didn't.

    FG are still FF's apollogists.


  • Registered Users Posts: 180 ✭✭Rumple Fugly


    Definately SF, they couldn't possibly be any worse than the horrible selfish greedy fu*kers that we've had running the country the past few decades.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    toexpress wrote: »
    When was I convicted of dangerous driving? Doesn't mean I am not guilty of it!

    Just pointing out facts.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Definately SF, they couldn't possibly be any worse than the horrible selfish greedy fu*kers that we've had running the country the past few decades.

    Really ? Did you not hear about AOS fleecing us for two average wages in "expenses" ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    Really ? Did you not hear about AOS fleecing us for two average wages in "expenses" ?

    Someone should arrest him. Right after they jail the previous bunch (and a lot of their FG supporters).


  • Registered Users Posts: 708 ✭✭✭battser


    FCUK YOU DEPUTY STAGG

    To all the Sinn Fein hopefuls out there you better keep dreaming :D

    Great Poll


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    Conchir wrote: »
    Do most people here pick one party to vote for, regardless of who the candidates are in your constituency? I can't vote yet, but I would imagine when I can, I'll pick candidates individually, based on, y'know, their politics. From most of the replies it appears people pick a party, and not the individuals. Just strikes me as a bit strange.

    Same as yourself

    I vote for the man/women, not the logo on the poster


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭Mark200


    mikemac1 wrote: »
    Conchir wrote: »
    Do most people here pick one party to vote for, regardless of who the candidates are in your constituency? I can't vote yet, but I would imagine when I can, I'll pick candidates individually, based on, y'know, their politics. From most of the replies it appears people pick a party, and not the individuals. Just strikes me as a bit strange.

    Same as yourself

    I vote for the man/women, not the logo on the poster
    Well the reality is that we live in a parliamentary democracy where the parties use whip systems,which means unless a candidate is in the upper ranks of their political party then all they will be doing is voting for whatever their party tells them to vote for. Hence why party affiliation is, to me anyway, the first (but not only) thing I consider.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,314 ✭✭✭BOHtox


    Oh the thoughts of the Shinners getting in, or anyone from the Left. Do they have one policy between them?


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