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Have You Ever Visited The Deep Web?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 464 ✭✭The Th!ng


    The net is like an ocean, much of what happens is below the surface.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭Lightbulb Sun


    hfallada wrote: »
    Looks like OP is loving the new season of House of Cards.

    Haha, I'm probably the most out of touch person with regards to TV shows. Think I heard of it through wikipedia.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,324 ✭✭✭BillyMitchel


    Can someone give a step by step guide on how to get on it? Is it like a special search engine or what's the craic?

    I'll probably end up bottling it though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 271 ✭✭calanus


    gumbo1 wrote: »
    Is there a link? How exactly does one go about accessing the deep web?


    www.thedeepweb.com


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,971 ✭✭✭Holsten


    Can someone give a step by step guide on how to get on it? Is it like a special search engine or what's the craic?

    I'll probably end up bottling it though.
    http://bit.ly/1cz3TW7


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,148 ✭✭✭PizzamanIRL


    Never heard of it until now. Don't want to go on to it either. Would I like to see child porn & gore videos, buy weapons, drugs or other illegal stuff? No.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,143 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    Never visted the "deep" side of the Internet and never will. Would rather not click on some messed up child porn image or something.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Politics Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 81,310 CMod ✭✭✭✭coffee_cake


    I'd heard of it yeah but wouldn't have the interest in going about it
    If I need a hitman for someone with appalling grammar, I'm sure I'll find it :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,134 ✭✭✭✭Oat23


    Went on it a few times after seeing the Silk Road AMA on reddit, but I haven't been on it in months. I ended up on a Brazilian forum (looked a bit like craigslist but you could reply to listings and the posts would show underneath). It seemed to be pretty busy. I translated some of the stuff and from what I could make out, it was a child trafficking board. People were posting age, names, heights etc. along with a @tormail address to email if interested. I felt sick and I hope it was all fake, but it looked real :(

    No pictures, thankfully. It was just a text board and I copied/pasted some lines into a translator.

    It isn't all bad from what I know. There is a good side to the deep web and it is invaluable to many people living in countries like Iran, China etc.

    Everything is clearly marked there, it isn't like this web, where people link to shock websites or whatever. If there is going to be CP on the other end of a link it states that clearly. If you want to go and check it out, don't be worried about accidentally clicking a link that could get you in trouble.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,675 ✭✭✭HighClass


    It sounds cool until you go on it. It's pretty boring and really slow loading for the most part. As far as the child pron stuff goes I've been on it a handful of times and never come across any, it's not like there is pictures and stuff plastered all over it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭Genghiz Cohen


    To access the Deep Web you need to use TOR.
    TOR, in a nutshell, encrypts your internet so that it will be accepted by other computers on the TOR net. You cannot access TOR websites without having the proper encryption.
    Your internet requests are bounced around between TOR computers (called Relays) until they either hit their destination inside the TOR net or a computer on the TOR net unencrypts it and makes a request to the regular internet (referred to as the Clear Web).

    This is the power of TOR, an encrypted request is bounced around making it very difficult to trace back to it's origin, even if the request goes out onto the Clear Web.

    TOR is very simple to use, you download the open source TOR proxy (https://www.torproject.org/).
    This sets up a new connection on your computer that is configured to encrypt and send data to the TOR network. You can either tell your current browser to use the TOR connection, or you can use the supplied browser.

    Using the supplied browser is recommended from and ease of use and security standpoint.

    Accessing sites is a little bit more awkward than on the Clean Web. URLs look like this: http://kpvz7ki2v5agwt35.onion
    If you try to hit that without TOR, nothing will happen.
    The addresses are hard to use and they change often so you need search engines or services like DuckDuckGo on the Deep Web to keep track of everything. Assuming the sites themselves allow the search engines to index them.

    Remember, looking at the Deep Web, mostly, isn't a crime. Some of the sites with child porn are noted on the Hidden Wiki so they are easy to avoid, I've (thankfully) never seen any while looking around.


    It is a very useful tool for fighting government oppression. Since Syria and Egypt erupted the need for Relays has sky-rocketed.
    If you are using Android Orbot will get you on TOR on your phone.


  • Registered Users Posts: 299 ✭✭freewheeler


    To me it's a lot like Waterford. I have absolutely zero interest in ever going there.

    Promise? :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,324 ✭✭✭BillyMitchel


    To access the Deep Web you need to use TOR.
    TOR, in a nutshell, encrypts your internet so that it will be accepted by other computers on the TOR net. You cannot access TOR websites without having the proper encryption.
    Your internet requests are bounced around between TOR computers (called Relays) until they either hit their destination inside the TOR net or a computer on the TOR net unencrypts it and makes a request to the regular internet (referred to as the Clear Web).

    This is the power of TOR, an encrypted request is bounced around making it very difficult to trace back to it's origin, even if the request goes out onto the Clear Web.

    TOR is very simple to use, you download the open source TOR proxy (https://www.torproject.org/).
    This sets up a new connection on your computer that is configured to encrypt and send data to the TOR network. You can either tell your current browser to use the TOR connection, or you can use the supplied browser.

    Using the supplied browser is recommended from and ease of use and security standpoint.

    Accessing sites is a little bit more awkward than on the Clean Web. URLs look like this: http://kpvz7ki2v5agwt35.onion
    If you try to hit that without TOR, nothing will happen.
    The addresses are hard to use and they change often so you need search engines or services like DuckDuckGo on the Deep Web to keep track of everything. Assuming the sites themselves allow the search engines to index them.

    Remember, looking at the Deep Web, mostly, isn't a crime. Some of the sites with child porn are noted on the Hidden Wiki so they are easy to avoid, I've (thankfully) never seen any while looking around.


    It is a very useful tool for fighting government oppression. Since Syria and Egypt erupted the need for Relays has sky-rocketed.
    If you are using Android Orbot will get you on TOR on your phone.

    This post makes it sound tempting. What's the craziest thing you've came across on it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭Stavros Murphy


    My idea of the deep web is looking at the free stuff on Adverts. That or straying into one of the Region Forums on Boards. Any more off the beaten path and I'd be afraid I'd never get back. The only onion browsing I like is picking through them on the top of me steak.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Tor is not the only manifestation of the deep web, just the one which has received the most mainstream publicity. There are many other protocols for running underground web applications - i2p is a good example, which apart from allowing anonymous browsing, contains its own built in hidden chat system. Freenet is another.
    Serious criminals have probably also created their own protocols which are kept entirely secret and the public knows nothing about. It wouldn't surprise me at all if there was a program which operated like Tor or i2p but with its own separate proprietary protocol, and was only known or available to members of specific organisations. Makes sense web you think about it - publicity is what will kill Tor due to making it an increased target for surveillance, anything which is kept quiet has a better chance of remaining secure.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,339 ✭✭✭Artful_Badger


    I had a peek once to see what was "down there" it was pretty much like the internet was 10 years ago. Very basic HTML pages with lots of links to lots of odd and dodgy content.

    I didnt go snooping too much though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    I don't know anything about it tbh but was just thinking having read through this thread.......

    If there is so much CP and images on it would agencies not use it to find missing children etc?
    Can it not be hacked or traced?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,743 ✭✭✭blatantrereg


    I use TOR quite often. I've no interest in visiting the deep Web though. TOR is not slow to use. It takes a little time to initialise - less than a minute usually. Once it is running there isn't a noticeable difference in the connection speed though.
    I get exposed to enough disturbing crap while browsing the regular Internet. A good example was a highly distressing image on Wikipedia I saw while looking up a chemical that causes birth defects.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,969 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    kjl wrote: »

    There is a lot of child porn on it, and forums where people trade images and videos.

    As opposed to the regular web which is...?

    TBH, as another poster says, it sounds cool, "Deep web", but really its more the "slightly-harder-to-get-on-to-than-regular" web.

    Its been made famous by a few newspaper articles and of House of Cards, but really, the Deep Web is just a corner of the internet. There are many other corners which are also obscured and are less moderated than say boards. Theres a whole big world out there that isn't indexed by google.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭Mickey H


    TheFarrier wrote: »
    How does one access this deep web ??

    Never heard of it before now, it has piqued my interest slightly.
    Is it worth a snoop around??
    syklops wrote: »
    As opposed to the regular web which is...?

    This one.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭whirlpool


    I saw screen shots of forums from it on another forum a few weeks ago. Nearly made me get sick. Reading this thread has creeped me out all over again. It's infuriating that it's untraceable as it seems like a haven for rapists, violent criminals, paedophiles and child abusers.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Smidge wrote: »
    I don't know anything about it tbh but was just thinking having read through this thread.......

    If there is so much CP and images on it would agencies not use it to find missing children etc?
    Can it not be hacked or traced?

    It's almost impossible - even the NSA are having massive trouble trying to crack it, as evidenced by one of Snowden's leaked slideshows called "Tor Stinks". It details several possible ways of trying to identify Tor users but concludes by telling analysts that if their target is indeed using Tor, they're better off looking for slip ups than trying to crack the network (for example, Tor isn't going to help you if you do something silly like using a personal email address when registering on a hidden forum, etc).

    For example, the owner of Silk Road was caught because he used a personal gmail account in his early days when asking a question about setting up his server on a dev forum. The Irish guy Eric Eoin Marques, who ran Freedom Hosting, was caught through a combination of tracking his financial accounts and an exploit in a particular version of the Tor browser which allowed users to be tricked into leaving the deep web.

    In other words, Tor is secure apart from personal screwups and the occasional exploit. The majority of users will not be caught - that is, unless intel agencies' capabilities increase substantially.

    One thing to bear in mind is that Tor hides where connections are going by encrypting the routing information in packets which travel through it. From Snowden's documents we know that the NSA et al are attempting to essentially destroy the concept of asymmetric encryption using super computers and attempting mathematical breakthroughs - if they ever succeed, everything on the internet which relies on encryption is f*cked, including Tor.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,969 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    Mickey H wrote: »
    This one.

    You dont share video and images on this "one"?


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,209 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    Bloody hell, just had a look at the hidden wiki on it. Clicked a link which was like a normal wiki page but just a list of child pórn sites. Even the names of them are sickening :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,622 ✭✭✭Ruu


    kryogen wrote: »
    I like it, there is an alternate boards there, very dark place

    You can get that by using the Cloud skin here. :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,969 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    Cienciano wrote: »
    Bloody hell, just had a look at the hidden wiki on it. Clicked a link which was like a normal wiki page but just a list of child pórn sites. Even the names of them are sickening :(

    In some ways, the so called deep web is one of the last bastions of a free internet. Unsurprisingly the powers that want to control the internet surround the "deep web" in child porn and sex traffcking and drugs to discredit it. From you're reading of that "hidden wiki", everyone who goes to the deep web is a pervert by association.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,148 ✭✭✭PizzamanIRL


    Cienciano wrote: »
    Bloody hell, just had a look at the hidden wiki on it. Clicked a link which was like a normal wiki page but just a list of child pórn sites. Even the names of them are sickening :(

    I bet you feel warm and safe now that you're back on goold ol' boards.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    syklops wrote: »
    In some ways, the so called deep web is one of the last bastions of a free internet. Unsurprisingly the powers that want to control the internet surround the "deep web" in child porn and sex traffcking and drugs to discredit it. From you're reading of that "hidden wiki", everyone who goes to the deep web is a pervert by association.

    There was a time when I would have dismissed this as an unproven conspiracy theory, but Snowden's latest releases actually prove, in writing, that intel services do plant various things in order to try and control public perceptions of various events and parts of the internet. The latest documents show a very chilling attempt at mass mind control - not in the sense of directly f*cking with people's minds in a sci-fi manner, but in the sense of trying to control the public discourse and misrepresent popular opinion using censorship, massive hoards of fake social media accounts to add voices to one side of various debates, etc etc etc.

    It now wouldn't surprise me at all if Tor and others, while undoubtedly attracting a fair amount of pedos and criminals on their own, had their ugly parts enhanced artificially in order to scare people away from them.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,134 ✭✭✭✭Oat23


    The Irish guy Eric Eoin Marques, who ran Freedom Hosting, was caught through a combination of tracking his financial accounts and an exploit in a particular version of the Tor browser which allowed users to be tricked into leaving the deep web.

    Never knew freedom hosting was owned by an Irish guy. I remember first hearing about it when Anonymous started attacking it.
    Freedom Hosting has long been notorious for allowing child porn to live on its servers. In 2011, the hactivist collective Anonymous singled out the service for denial-of-service attacks after allegedly finding the firm hosted 95 percent of the child porn hidden services on the Tor network. In the hearing yesterday, Donahue said the service hosted at least 100 child porn sites with thousands of users, and claimed Marques had visited some of the sites himself.
    Reached by phone, Marques’ lawyer declined to comment on the case. Marques faces federal charges in Maryland, where the FBI’s child-exploitation unit is based, in a case that is still under seal.
    Never been a fan of extraditing citizens to foreign countries. But ship this c*nt out to the Americans. He'll get 10 years here probably :rolleyes:.


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