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Porn in ireland

  • 25-09-2006 8:09pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 279 ✭✭


    I have a love/hate relationship with porn. On the one hand I think people should be allowed do whatever they want as long as everyone is agreeing, and this would include porn, but on the other hand I can't help but feel uncomfortable with porn. I do like it sometimes but there is a small part of me which feels it is wrong. I don't know why I feel that way cause I think I'm quite open minded!

    The fact that I have that small "it's wrong" feeling kind of makes me even more interested in porn. I was listening to a podcast by an irish pornographer yesterday and I'm not sure if I feel disgust or if I admire him! A bit of both I think, and that bothers me.

    Basically what I'm saying is that porn throws up lots of confusing emotions from deep inside of me!!

    #1 Should porn be totally accepted if everyone involved is happy to do it / watch it / etc?
    #2 Why do some people (me included) have such conflicting emotions regarding porn? I am not catholic. Is it because these feelings are "natural" or is it society etc which has messed me up???

    I admit I don't like the fact porn is sold in Centra etc. I think it is a specialist thing and should only be available to people who are looking for it (searching on the internet, going into sex shops, etc.)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Tha Gopher


    Two questions

    1- Who was the Irish pornographer?

    2- What feckin Centras sell porn? (theres a difference between Ben Dover films and Max Power magazine in all fairness)

    Ah porn, the great oul hypocritical form of entertainment. Its great stuff, as long as its not my daughter/sister/ other female relative involved. tbh we have often contemplated the idea of making our own pornos- imagine how much people in your locality would pay to see local girls theyve seen around the place getting lashed on camera. Yid make a mint, and i can think of a handful who would take part for a cut of lets say 300 euro.

    Sorry for the crudeness and the more AH approach to a Huamanities thread, but Im drunk.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 279 ✭✭Aoife-FM104


    If you go to sex dot ie and look at the second post you will see the podcast.

    Every Centra sells porn!! Yeah it's softcore but the covers are very raunchy! You wouldn't know they are Playboy types just by glancing at their covers!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,978 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    I would have difficulty considering FHM or Loaded as porn even 30 years ago not that I was looking back then, oh heck thats a lie - first saw Mayfair back when I was 8 or 9. As I hadnt hit puberty the tasteful images of nekkid ladies
    meant nothing beyond the fact they looked pretty.

    I don't have any confusion about the consumption of it. I'd just prefer that it knew its place, even a total athiest/liberal like me would like to know there are places low grade junk like Loaded is not going to be staring back at me so in that sense the rapid "soft-pornification" of society is at times uncomfortable.

    Mike.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    #1 Should porn be totally accepted if everyone involved is happy to do it / watch it / etc?
    What do you define as porn. Technically that guy in Europe who let himself be eatten alive by another man while they video taped it was "porn". That is a bit different to two or three or four people having sex. That in turn is a bit different to a woman (or man) pleasuring himself.

    You can't just say that "all porn" is acceptable or "no porn" is acceptable.
    #2 Why do some people (me included) have such conflicting emotions regarding porn? I am not catholic. Is it because these feelings are "natural" or is it society etc which has messed me up???

    Its because most people have hang ups about sex, even those who claim they don't.

    There are tons of reasons for these hang ups, and tons of hangups. Without knowing you I would have no idea what hang ups you possess, only that you do (like everyone) possess them.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,554 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Why do some people (me included) have such conflicting emotions regarding porn? I am not catholic. Is it because these feelings are "natural" or is it society etc which has messed me up???
    Society only legalised it in Ireland in the 90's, so I think it's safe to say "society" is somewhat responsible for the residual feeling of uncomfortableness. :)

    Where actual "porn" is often classed as being degrading to women, I find what they write in Loaded/FHM etc degrading to men.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Tha Gopher


    #2 Why do some people (me included) have such conflicting emotions regarding porn? I am not catholic.


    I am.

    Well, I dont pray, I dont go to mass, and until the recent furore Id have probably took 5 seconds to remember the popes name was Benedict, but at the same time I can never get this "ah! Catholicism! Unclean! Unclean!" attitude on boards. You would think the church had ever had an effect on your lives the way some here act. Someone born in the 40s and who lived under a Catholic government the Taliban modelled themselves on, hatred I can understand. But for those born in the 70s and 80s, who did a whopping 30 minutes per week of religion in school and went to mass less times than they went to the Med, tbh its childish.

    Sorry Im gone off topic. HURRAH FOR PORNO!!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,216 ✭✭✭✭monkeyfudge


    I admit I don't like the fact porn is sold in Centra etc. I think it is a specialist thing and should only be available to people who are looking for it (searching on the internet, going into sex shops, etc.)
    Sex is an incredibly important factor in survival of the human race, just like eating and drinking are... why shouldn't it be sold next to sausage rolls and bottled water then?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 279 ✭✭Aoife-FM104


    :D

    Yes, I know sex + eating + breathing + sleeping + shelter are vital.

    I'm jsut saying there is something about seeing porn in my local shop which makes me mildly uncomfortable.

    For the record I also think seeing chopped up animals is a bit wrong, and breathing smoke is a bit wrong, and eating junk food is a bit wrong... so I do have some issues with all the "vital" things in life...

    Did you listen to the podcast? Did he make you admire him or disgust him????


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,264 ✭✭✭✭Hobbes


    mike65 wrote:
    I would have difficulty considering FHM or Loaded as porn even 30 years ago

    When your a kid with raging hormones even an argos catalog can seem like a pron mag.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Hobbes wrote:
    When your a kid with raging hormones even an argos catalog can seem like a pron mag.

    You too ... the bathroom and shower section ... ummm :p


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,554 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Hobbes wrote:
    When your a kid with raging hormones even an argos catalog can seem like a pron mag.
    It doesn't change when you're older.
    Mmmmm. Power tools.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭bonkey


    #1 Should porn be totally accepted if everyone involved is happy to do it / watch it / etc?

    I think the inverse of that question is more telling.

    Why shouldn't porn be totally accepted if....
    #2 Why do some people (me included) have such conflicting emotions regarding porn? I am not catholic. Is it because these feelings are "natural" or is it society etc which has messed me up???
    Ignoring whether or not its messed up, the simple answer is that there is a conflict between evolution and environment.

    The more complex answer involves determining which of these is more fitting to the current day and age.

    There is no right answer.
    I admit I don't like the fact porn is sold in Centra etc. I think it is a specialist thing and should only be available to people who are looking for it (searching on the internet, going into sex shops, etc.)
    Does it offend you that something you have no need for is on sale in a shop you frequent?

    I'm not a parent. Why do I have to be subjected to things like nappies and soothers and the like being on sale in my local shop? Why can't they be put somewhere specialist where only the people looking for them can find it?

    I also hate domesticism. I don't want cleaning products on sale where I buy my snack-food, frozen pizza, etc. They depress me and amke me feel bad that I'm not a cleaner person.

    Do these sound like reasonable objections? If not, then how is yours different?

    jc


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 279 ✭✭Aoife-FM104


    bonkey wrote:
    Do these sound like reasonable objections? If not, then how is yours different?

    jc

    Yes I know I probably should not feel porn on sale in Centra is wrong, but I still feel that way. It bothers me that I feel that way! It's like I've been mildly brainwashed, and even though I don't want these feelings, I can't help but have them...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Yes I know I probably should not feel porn on sale in Centra is wrong, but I still feel that way. It bothers me that I feel that way! It's like I've been mildly brainwashed, and even though I don't want these feelings, I can't help but have them...

    I think part of the problem maybe the taboo that surrounds it is giving you the wrong idea about what most mainstream porn actually is.

    Why don't you watch some porn. Normal (albet hardcore) stuff and see what it is all about. Its just sex after all. You can find a range of stuff on the internet

    And it doesn't have to be weird or freaky stuff either. I don't know why but people seem to always think that all the porn produced is freaky SM bondage stuff or something like that. The vast majority, unless you go looking for the freaky stuff, is simply a man or woman (or 2 women and a man) having sex.

    We all do that, we all know what is going on. These people just happen to be a lot better looking than us, and seem to be enjoying it a lot more :p

    The majority of porn is actually hilariously bad, like a really cheesy American soap opera. Just with more sex.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,730 ✭✭✭✭simu


    Most of the porn they have in shops is very much marketed at men - maybe that's what bothers you? (They say most women don't dig porn but I'll not believe it. Porn for women is an industry waiting to boom imo!)


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,967 ✭✭✭Pyr0


    I've always wondered, would women like looking at two gay men ? Or the usual man and woman ? Just saying as a lot of guys like the whole girl on girl kind of thing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Pyr0 wrote:
    I've always wondered, would women like looking at two gay men ? Or the usual man and woman ? Just saying as a lot of guys like the whole girl on girl kind of thing.

    I've been told it doesn't work the other way. Probably because the reasons a woman finds a man attractive aren't the reasons a man finds a woman attractive.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    Wicknight wrote:
    I've been told it doesn't work the other way. Probably because the reasons a woman finds a man attractive aren't the reasons a man finds a woman attractive.


    That is not always the case, some women do. There is a large market for Yaoi style porn and erotica.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,252 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Personally i like anything with donkeys in it, but tasteful, just donkeys posing in their natuaral environment.
    But thats just me.
    I love a bit of donkey...................



    ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,216 ✭✭✭✭monkeyfudge


    kowloon wrote:
    Personally i like anything with donkeys in it, but tasteful, just donkeys posing in their natuaral environment.
    But thats just me.
    I love a bit of donkey...................
    I hope you had a chance to see this exhibition when it was on.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 137 ✭✭SmoothyG


    Hey OP,
    I challenge you to go to your local Centra and buy a porn mag.
    I think the feelings you experience while doing that will give you a better understanding of why you have a problem with it.
    Personaly i think it will be 1 of 2 problems.

    1)you think porn is disgusting
    2)you think other people think you are disgusting if you watch porn, i.e. you think everyone else thinks like 1) and will have a lower opinion of you. where you dont have a problem with it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,965 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    SmoothyG wrote:
    Hey OP,
    I challenge you to go to your local Centra and buy a porn mag.
    I think the feelings you experience while doing that will give you a better understanding of why you have a problem with it.
    Personaly i think it will be 1 of 2 problems.

    1)you think porn is disgusting
    2)you think other people think you are disgusting if you watch porn, i.e. you think everyone else thinks like 1) and will have a lower opinion of you. where you dont have a problem with it.
    Excelent post/idea Smoothy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4 wearinganappy


    whats porn

    Let no person reply if they never fantisied say they dont have a fetish or say that risky sex ie not in the bed (how boring). Its human nature. However what defines in my book porn is when its non consulting and underage and involves animals. Life is to short

    Is it okay to sell mags in Centra and Spar. Absolutely not

    Sex shops yes .

    I love my fetish and it interfers with nobody else


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    I think this just sounds like you are disgusted by pornography and don't have the courage to just say it. Hence all the "open minded" guff about not minding others viewing it.

    Centra and spar should be able to sell what they want. For the record, I think you are confusing soft porn top shelf mags with proper jazz mags in this instance.

    If you object to porn availability on the age factor, the age ban for smut is the same whether or not its a sex shop or a Centra and under agers will get their hands on, no matter what, anyway. Ever hear of the net?

    If you object on a general level, then you definitely just find it disgusting (or so it sounds to me). Just admit it.




    I admit I don't like the fact porn is sold in Centra etc. I think it is a specialist thing and should only be available to people who are looking for it (searching on the internet, going into sex shops, etc.)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,268 ✭✭✭mountainyman


    Porn is incredibly destructive. It is evil.
    [1] There is an extremely close correlation between 'acting' in porn and methamphetamine / cocaine addiction. Further the actors have a very high suicide rate and end up with nothing.
    [2] It creates bizarre and unnatural sexual desires and makes people feel like sexual failures if they aren't rimming goats
    [3] It is about the objectification and degradation of women: Pornography means writing about whores
    [4] The people who actually make the money are scum
    [5] It is an addiction and leads from FHM, to Hustler, to Ass Eating Bitches to 9 Year Old Hussies, to Dead Sluts

    It is time to take Ireland back from the pornographers!!!

    MM


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,225 ✭✭✭Ciaran500


    [2] It creates bizarre and unnatural sexual desires and makes people feel like sexual failures if they aren't rimming goats
    Bullsh*t
    [3] It is about the objectification and degradation of women: Pornography means writing about whores
    The depends on the porn, theres plenty of porn around that has the degredation of men
    [4] The people who actually make the money are scum
    :rolleyes:
    [5] It is an addiction and leads from FHM, to Hustler, to Ass Eating Bitches to 9 Year Old Hussies, to Dead Sluts
    Yeah, everyone that looks at porn ends up watching child and rape porn. Another stupid generalisation by you as to how people end up as paedos.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,117 ✭✭✭✭MrJoeSoap


    I wouldn't take too much notice of mountainyman, he has a bit of a trolling problem.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭aidan24326


    Mountainyman, I hope you were only trolling as if you really believe all that sh1te you wrote then you are beyond help.

    OP, you simply have some taboo issues with the subject from what I can see. A slight discomfort with it for whatever reason. You are hardly alone and I wouldn't say it's anything much to be too concerned about. But as other posters have pointed out most mainstream porn is simply two (or 3,4) people having sex. Most of it isn't a whole lot different to what the rest of us get up to in the bedroom. Just a bit more exaggerated and done by (usually) fit attractive people who just happen to get paid for it. Nice work if you ask me :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,268 ✭✭✭mountainyman


    Ciaran500 wrote:
    Bullsh*t
    so eloquent- but just as cogent as the rest of your argument.
    Ciaran500 wrote:
    Bullsh*t
    Yeah, everyone that looks at porn ends up watching child and rape porn. Another stupid generalisation by you as to how people end up as paedos.
    It is not necessary that a given piece of pornography lead to sexual violence or paedophilic activities in the case of every viewer of that piece of pornography in order that the piece of pornography be described as leading to sexual violence or paedophilic activities. It is only necessary that it lead to such behaviour in one single case.
    Further unless one regards the pornographers right to make a profit as equivalent to the child's right not to be raped then if a piece of pornography causes or contributes to the above activities it should be prevented.
    Ciaran500 wrote:
    Bullsh*t
    ...depends on the porn, theres plenty of porn around that has the degredation of men...
    I don't think you understand what I mean.

    MM


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,268 ✭✭✭mountainyman


    Ciaran500 wrote:
    Nice work if you ask me
    Aidan the category Porn Stars Who Commited Suicide has its own wikipedia page!
    Nice work indeed.

    MM


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