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Keep abortion out of Ireland

  • 23-02-2012 9:43pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 60 ✭✭


    A message on http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com asks the Irish people to keep abortion out of Ireland
    Virgin Mary: Introduce abortion in Ireland and you sever the link to my heart
    Friday, February 17th, 2012 @ 03:30 pm
    I am your beloved Mother, Queen of the Angels, the Virgin Mary, the Immaculate Conception.

    Oh how I weep today as Ireland, the country most dedicated to me, their beloved Mother, falls prey to the evil one.

    Great darkness has descended over this nation. So many have lost their faith, just as so many have turned their hearts away from my beloved Son, Jesus Christ.

    ...


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭Liamario


    I'm neither for, nor against abortion, but this "message" is pushing me towards pro choice.


  • Registered Users Posts: 515 ✭✭✭daithimac


    Oh dear,

    Whoever wrote this has a bad dose of the crazy.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,550 ✭✭✭swiftblade


    It reads as some sort of rally speach.

    Very, very weird.


  • Registered Users Posts: 786 ✭✭✭qrrgprgua


    Respect for human life, from Conception to death, should be above religion.

    Going home in the car listening to a women who went into a clinic in the UK saying she wanted an abortion because she was having a Girl instead of a Boy and being told "you want a termination then you want a termination"......

    Abortion panders to the lowest elements of lack of humanity... are we such animals that we would kill our young.

    I will be voting NO to abortion. Because its wrong, not because of Religion or faith. But because killing a child is wrong.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,457 ✭✭✭Morbert


    False alarm everyone. She contacted me yesterday.
    Mary wrote:
    Sorry, my bad. I was feeling mischievous last Friday. Late-term abortions are bad but that's it. Signing out...

    Oh yes... Obama/Biden 2012


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,087 ✭✭✭Festus


    qrrgprgua wrote: »
    Respect for human life, from Conception to death, should be above religion.

    Going home in the car listening to a women who went into a clinic in the UK saying she wanted an abortion because she was having a Girl instead of a Boy and being told "you want a termination then you want a termination"......

    Abortion panders to the lowest elements of lack of humanity... are we such animals that we would kill our young.

    I will be voting NO to abortion. Because its wrong, not because of Religion or faith. But because killing a child is wrong.

    Agreed but are you a TD? If so then we are glad of your vote and will vote you in to office again.

    If you are a meer pleb then sorry, but you are unlikely to get another chance to vote on this issue.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Politics Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 81,310 CMod ✭✭✭✭coffee_cake


    the teachings that only say if you cause a woman to miscarry you should pay her a fine in compensation
    not exactly "abortion is bad!!!111"

    what a load of nonsense


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,686 ✭✭✭✭PDN


    While I'm opposed to abortion, I can't help noticing that Mary is getting very political with her opposition to socialism.

    Her grammar and punctuation needs a bit of work as well.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,943 ✭✭✭wonderfulname


    So, question on the hit and run: Is pretending to be the Virgin Mary considered blasphemous? I would have thought drafting a piece of writing in that manner to be very unchristian.

    I also like that Mary is aware of, and opposes, a future nuclear Iran waging war, but won't do anything unless we say the rosary, and does not expect us to do anything other than say the rosary... classy interpretation of her they have... http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/virgin-mary-pray-that-nuclear-war-can-be-averted-in-iran/


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,403 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    But Mary it's their bodies, can't they do what they want with them....?:rolleyes:

    Edit - You may go talk with God Mary, as he gave us free will didn't he?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    In these difficult times let us turn to another blessed savior


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Benny_Cake


    I'm not a supporter of abortion, but this really is ludicrous nonsense. People who claim to have respect for Mary shouldn't be using made up rubbish like this to advance their narrow political views.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,943 ✭✭✭wonderfulname


    Zombrex wrote: »
    You totally read this in Obama's voice.

    Yes we can I did.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,571 ✭✭✭newmug


    WTF? Is there going to be a vote on abortion or something?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,087 ✭✭✭Festus


    they're having a motion in the Dail

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0222/breaking54.html

    The OP source is dated 17th. The Irish Times (T.I.T.) breaking news is date 22nd.

    Clare Daly must have a leak


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,571 ✭✭✭newmug


    Liamario wrote: »
    I'm neither for, nor against abortion, but this "message" is pushing me towards pro choice.


    Really? You'd agree with abortion, and an article you appear to think is a whole pile of crazy is what would convince you?


    EDIT: As a Christian, I will pray and fast in the hope that this bill is not passed. I urge other Christians to do the same.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,943 ✭✭✭wonderfulname


    newmug wrote: »
    EDIT: As a Christian, I will pray and fast in the hope that this bill is not passed. I urge other Christians to do the same.

    As a fan of a functioning democracy, but not at all your viewpoint, I suggest you redirect the sentiment to your local representative in written or verbal form.
    Ms Daly’s is seeking to introduce the legislation to “provide for termination of pregnancy where a real and substantial risk to the life of the pregnant woman exists”
    What exactly is wrong with this position by the way?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,571 ✭✭✭newmug


    As a fan of a functioning democracy, but not at all your viewpoint, I suggest you redirect the sentiment to your local representative in written or verbal form.

    A) I already did. Now, as a practicing Catholic, I'm putting my money where my mouth is, and I'm going to fast and pray.

    What exactly is wrong with this position by the way?

    B) "Terminating pregnancies", ie killing babies, is sick. No matter what the circumstance, the life of the child should be put first. Its what any mother would want, why should it be any different for a child who is minus x months old?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,686 ✭✭✭✭PDN


    What exactly is wrong with this position by the way?

    The problem is that a phrase such as "a real and substantial risk to the life of the pregnant woman" can be interpreted very broadly indeed. How do you define that?

    "Doctor, I like so can't believe I'm pregnant like. I only had a few vodka and red bulls that night, and my Shane gets like so forgetful about those condom thingies, you know. Siobhan has already measured us all for the bridesmaid dresses this Summer, you know. And I'll like just kill myself if I've put on weight and have to ask her to make me a fatter dress than Kylie, oh my God!"

    "So you're suicidal, eh Stacey? We can't have that, sounds like a real and substantial risk to your life. Thankfully our enlightened legislators have provided for this very situation. Here, I'll write you a referral letter for a termination."


    This is how bad laws can be made. People vote for a bill thinking of a scenario where the mother is lying on the operating table and faces certain death unless an abortion is performed. But sloppy wording gets interpreted by unelected judges, not by the bozos who voted in the Dail, and so in a few years 'suicidal' Stacey gets her abortion so she can squeeze her selfish body into a bridesmaid dress.

    And, sadly, I'm old and cynical enough to suspect that Clare Daly was fully aware of this possibility when she phrased her bill as she did.


  • Registered Users Posts: 676 ✭✭✭HamletOrHecuba


    Im opposed to abortion, just as Im opposed to contraception, but I cant believe that abortion at an early stage of the pregnancy is murder as such.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,320 ✭✭✭dead one


    A generation dies within bellies, who will care for the generation, suffering outside


  • Registered Users Posts: 676 ✭✭✭HamletOrHecuba


    swiftblade wrote: »
    It reads as some sort of rally speach.

    Very, very weird.

    The second line about Ireland being the country most dedicated to me really threw me. I wonder is this the fact of mental illness, demonic delusion or a very human scam artist?


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,418 ✭✭✭JimiTime


    PDN wrote: »
    The problem is that a phrase such as "a real and substantial risk to the life of the pregnant woman" can be interpreted very broadly indeed. How do you define that?

    "Doctor, I like so can't believe I'm pregnant like. I only had a few vodka and red bulls that night, and my Shane gets like so forgetful about those condom thingies, you know. Siobhan has already measured us all for the bridesmaid dresses this Summer, you know. And I'll like just kill myself if I've put on weight and have to ask her to make me a fatter dress than Kylie, oh my God!"

    "So you're suicidal, eh Stacey? We can't have that, sounds like a real and substantial risk to your life. Thankfully our enlightened legislators have provided for this very situation. Here, I'll write you a referral letter for a termination."


    This is how bad laws can be made. People vote for a bill thinking of a scenario where the mother is lying on the operating table and faces certain death unless an abortion is performed. But sloppy wording gets interpreted by unelected judges, not by the bozos who voted in the Dail, and so in a few years 'suicidal' Stacey gets her abortion so she can squeeze her selfish body into a bridesmaid dress.

    And, sadly, I'm old and cynical enough to suspect that Clare Daly was fully aware of this possibility when she phrased her bill as she did.

    Couldn't have put it better myself.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Politics Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 81,310 CMod ✭✭✭✭coffee_cake


    i'm pretty sure doctors can figure out someone giving out and someone genuinely suicidal :rolleyes: not to mention the actual physical health risks which could threaten her life


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,418 ✭✭✭JimiTime


    bluewolf wrote: »
    i'm pretty sure doctors can figure out someone giving out and someone genuinely suicidal :rolleyes:

    First of all, you have much too much faith in the medical profession, and its capabilities, and second of all, whether they can figure it out or not is actually irrelevant. 1) A doctor is hardly going to take responsibility for saying, "nah, you're not really suicidal", and 2) All it takes is a doctor to believe that there is nothing wrong with abortion to use such a thing as a loophole. In fact, I'd be sure that it would actually just become the procedure for getting an abortion, 'Just say you're suicidal'. Eventually then, there will be a group that will be talking about how undignified it is to have to say you are suicidal in order to have an abortion, and before too long it'll be just like it is in other countries that have abortion.
    not to mention the actual physical health risks which could threaten her life

    Firstly, I'd like to see the stats on how many mothers have been left to die because they were denied abortions. Secondly, of the countries who have legalised abortion, how many are on the basis of a genuine threat to the life of the would be mothers.

    By all means be pro-abortion, but lets be honest, its not based on health of would be mothers.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Politics Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 81,310 CMod ✭✭✭✭coffee_cake


    JimiTime wrote: »
    By all means be pro-abortion, but lets be honest, its not based on health of would be mothers.

    I am not "pro abortion". And the OP bill is exactly about the health of pregnant women, not abortion in general.
    legislation is required based on the x case supreme court judgement already - no vote is required

    And yes, I have more faith in the medical profession diagnosing suicide risks than random people on the internet who think they know better :confused:
    All it takes is a doctor to believe that there is nothing wrong with abortion to use such a thing as a loophole
    The legislation would require it to be for suicidal risks (and presumably other risk of life) only. A doctor is not going to risk their career to hand these out willy-nilly. Particularly since it's already technically legal in the country but doctors will be guilty of malpractice if they do it, afaik. Remember that this is a country where there are still doctors and chemists refusing to deal with contraception - it's not exactly going to turn into some kind of free for all.

    Debates aside, the supreme court ruling was made a long time ago already and all that's left is to legislate for it


  • Registered Users Posts: 69 ✭✭lardossan


    the Holy Mary has an e-mail address? amazeballs.


  • Registered Users Posts: 371 ✭✭Catxscotch


    That is the craziest thing I have ever read. That is brain washing people who are completely taken in by Religion. I am a Catholic, but people must wake up to the scam of the Church, they still believe Aids are killing only bad people, and artificial contraception is wrong. As for Abortion, if a woman takes the decision to have an abortion, 99% do not do it lightly. To force her then to make a difficult journey to England or elsewhere is wrong. Grow up and smell the 21st Century people!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Benny_Cake


    Catxscotch wrote: »
    they still believe Aids are killing only bad people

    Really!!? I don't agree with the position that the Catholic Church has taken with regard to condoms, but to suggest that the Church believes that "AIDS is only killing bad people" simply isn't true.

    As regards the issue of a threat to a woman's life, if she doesn't get an abortion, it's a tough one. The Government doesn't have the option of not legislating for it after the court judgement, but I would be concerned that it would be the backdoor to full abortion, on demand. That said, I think that were a woman in a genuine situation where she would die if the pregnancy continued, an intervention in that instance couldn't be considered an abortion like any other. I'm inclined to support this once there are stringent safeguards, but I'm not sure how such safeguards could be arrived at.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,520 ✭✭✭Tea 1000


    Catxscotch wrote: »
    That is the craziest thing I have ever read. That is brain washing people who are completely taken in by Religion. I am a Catholic,
    Really? Doesn't sound like you are to be honest.
    Catxscotch wrote: »
    but people must wake up to the scam of the Church, they still believe Aids are killing only bad people
    What idiot believes that?
    Catxscotch wrote: »
    As for Abortion, if a woman takes the decision to have an abortion, 99% do not do it lightly.
    Really? 99%? Besides made up percentages, who says they don't take it lightly?
    Catxscotch wrote: »
    To force her then to make a difficult journey to England or elsewhere is wrong.
    It's not about forcing someone to go to England. It's about which value you hold higher, choice or life.
    Catxscotch wrote: »
    Grow up and smell the 21st Century people!!
    What do you mean by that? That we can't progress unless we allow unborn to die? That we can't call ourselves modern unless we all agree with you? That people who believe that the right to life of the unborn are stuck in the past? I think it'd be more modern of you to respectfully oppose other people's beliefs instead of mockingly oppose them.


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