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cleaners looking for more than minimum wage

  • 01-04-2012 2:40pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 651 ✭✭✭falabo


    I just can't get my head around this. The minimum wage is Ireland is €8.65 but most people doing cleaning ironing are looking for €10 to €15 per hour.

    what is this about ?? a Celtic Tiger thing that hasn't gone away?

    Should cleaners be paid more than the minimum wage ? In continental Europe, most people (housewives) would gladly help for 6-7 euros per hour.

    Why do people in Ireland still think they should make a huge salary even from cleaning ?

    It's jus a CLEANING job, no qualication required. This really drives me mad.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    Maybe they're really good at it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,968 ✭✭✭✭Praetorian Saighdiuir


    Why dont you do it then OP?

    Tis a highly lucrative job


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭true


    get in some foreigners. They will work gladly for 8 an hour cash.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,137 ✭✭✭44leto


    falabo wrote: »
    I just can't get my head around this. The minimum wage is Ireland is €8.65 but most people doing cleaning ironing are looking for €10 to €15 per hour.

    what is this about ?? a Celtic Tiger thing that hasn't gone away?

    Should cleaners be paid more than the minimum wage ? In continental Europe, most people (housewives) would gladly help for 6-7 euros per hour.

    Why do people in Ireland still think they should make a huge salary even from cleaning ?

    It's jus a CLEANING job, no qualication required. This really drives me mad.

    Its called market forces, if you don't want to pay the going rates then clean up yourself. Simple.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,822 ✭✭✭sunflower27


    Why does it bother you?

    Are you annoyed you have to pay a cleaner more than €7/hour.

    There are plenty of people on the other end of the scale - TDs for example - who are totally incompetent and earning way over what they should be on, plus all the benefits and perks. That annoys me more :D


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    falabo wrote: »
    I just can't get my head around this. The minimum wage is Ireland is €8.65 but most people doing cleaning ironing are looking for €10 to €15 per hour.

    what is this about ?? a Celtic Tiger thing that hasn't gone away?

    Should cleaners be paid more than the minimum wage ? In continental Europe, most people (housewives) would gladly help for 6-7 euros per hour.

    Why do people in Ireland still think they should make a huge salary even from cleaning ?

    It's jus a CLEANING job, no qualication required. This really drives me mad.

    Well a lot of the cleaner jobs being posted recently actually request previous cleaning experience. Cleaning is a tough and tiresome job, if they can get more than the minium wage, then let them. It's not like as if they holding the employer to ransom with a hot iron to hire them.

    Edit: Scratch that, how dare they exploit hard, honest working citizens, it's a sham!


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    Do you have a source for this OP?

    Cleaning is hard work, and is often seen as demeaning, so I don't blame people for looking to earn more than the minimum wage.

    Why does it bother you anyway?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,116 ✭✭✭✭RasTa


    You are talking about the cleaner who comes to your house, not hotel cleaners etc. They are gladly worth €10 an hour considering they have cleaned many a messy house party in about 4 hours.


  • Registered Users Posts: 44,080 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    I pay my cleaner €10 an hour, worth every cent.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    The way some cleaners are thought to be slaves is particurarly dreadful, and arose from the snotty, Celtic Tiger. Thinking that they were there to pick up every little bit of rubbish you didn't bother to put away was commonplace, I remember in school the view was particularly demeaning of them. Some of the messes that they have to clean up are pretty horrible and you can't blame them for looking for more money, for what can be a sqeamish job.

    Also, it depends like someone said there, the context of the cleaning, e.g if they are someone's personal cleaner or not.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 81,223 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Source OP?


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,159 ✭✭✭✭phasers


    My Sister's rich friends pay their cleaners €15 an hour. If you can't afford to pay your cleaners that much you're clearly not wealthy enough to deserve one.


  • Registered Users Posts: 37,295 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Rather than per hour, pay one amount. Eg: €30 to clean the house. They clean it in 2 hours, grand, they take three, they still get paid €30. They don't do a good job, they don't get re-hired. They do a good job, their number will be given to other people.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,194 ✭✭✭Corruptedmorals


    Perhaps because it's far more difficult for someone to live and bring up a family on the princely sum of €6-7 an hour than in other European countries. They aren't forcing you to hire them and they do a tough demeaning job. Good for them if they can get a higher wage.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,815 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    A hard working cleaner deserves at least 50 -60 euro an hour when you considerer the salaries of some of our non to low productive top earners .


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    Doesn't matter if its a horrible job or not, the reality is the wages are set by how easy it is to replace the worker, and demand for the work. So neurosurgeons get paid a lot more than cleaners. When it comes to cleaners its possible that wages are being driven up because there's more demand than cleaners, who can say.

    But as always, if you don't like it you don't have to pay it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    *OP complains about lingering Celtic Tiger attitudes*

    *OP complains about uppity house-cleaners asking for too much money and getting above their station*

    This is the only April Fool that had me going for a bit!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,137 ✭✭✭44leto


    I did a cleaning job once a kitchen porter that was a very hard job. I also did a hotel cleaning job in America I never minded that work the money wasn't great but the crack was good, I never thought it demeaning just paid employment.

    I was talking to a randomer in a pub and he earned about 50 to 100 an hour for cleaning. But it was specialised work he cleaned up after murder scenes and neglected houses, the cleaning jobs no-one else would do. I fukcing would for those rates.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 216 ✭✭AboutTwoFiddy


    I let my butler deal with the cleaning staff, I have told them not to speak to me directly.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 433 ✭✭Rocky_Dennis


    falabo wrote: »
    I just can't get my head around this. The minimum wage is Ireland is €8.65 but most people doing cleaning ironing are looking for €10 to €15 per hour.

    what is this about ?? a Celtic Tiger thing that hasn't gone away?

    Should cleaners be paid more than the minimum wage ? In continental Europe, most people (housewives) would gladly help for 6-7 euros per hour.

    Why do people in Ireland still think they should make a huge salary even from cleaning ?

    It's jus a CLEANING job, no qualication required. This really drives me mad.
    Serious attitude problem buddy.

    Cleaning is tough work and I definitely wouldn't begrudge them their money. They work bloody hard. They are also looked down on by some folk because they are "just a cleaner". They are entitled to a decent wage considering the amount of effort their work requires. Just because a job doesn't need a qualification doesn't mean it doesn't deserve a decent wage.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    44leto wrote: »
    I did a cleaning job once a kitchen porter that was a very hard job. I also did a hotel cleaning job in America I never minded that work the money wasn't great but the crack was good, I never thought it demeaning just paid employment.

    I was talking to a randomer in a pub and he earned about 50 to 100 an hour for cleaning. But it was specialised work he cleaned up after murder scenes and neglected houses, the cleaning jobs no-one else would do. I fukcing would for those rates.

    Was the Crack part of the gig, or at a discounted price?


  • Registered Users Posts: 955 ✭✭✭Scruffles


    the pay for cleaning jobs is rubbish,its what mum did for years before retiring and it ruined her back due to how labour intensive the job is.
    she often had more than one cleaning job on the go because of the pay not covering basic family needs;they used a push bike and coudnt afford a car and we never had luxuries like sky tv or a microwave.

    the reason a lot of hospitals are blamed for being dirty is because their cleaners do not get paid enough so they do not attract dedicated cleaners, this is the same in any area really-pay more or will find cleaners will not have the willpower to put in the strength for such an intensive job.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    falabo wrote: »
    I just can't get my head around this. The minimum wage is Ireland is €8.65 but most people doing cleaning ironing are looking for €10 to €15 per hour.

    what is this about ?? a Celtic Tiger thing that hasn't gone away?

    Should cleaners be paid more than the minimum wage ? In continental Europe, most people (housewives) would gladly help for 6-7 euros per hour.

    Why do people in Ireland still think they should make a huge salary even from cleaning ?

    It's jus a CLEANING job, no qualication required. This really drives me mad.


    Where would this be in "continental Europe"? The majority of the EU has a minimum wage set.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,568 ✭✭✭Chinasea


    Is this begrudery in all its finery?


    • They get a few hours cleaning here and there.
    • Some people only employ them once every two weeks or so for as little as one hour!
    • Most don't pay them when they go off on extended long summer breaks etc.
    • Most employers’ wouldn’t want to pay any PRSI for the cleaner.
    • Many employers leave the place in a right auld mess.
    • If you were to pay €8.75 per hour and the bus fare to the place of work is €2.50; well then that’s a whole big €3.75 I have just earned for cleaning your toilet – wow wee


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,334 ✭✭✭RichieC


    Is it bad that I want to slap the OP?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    RichieC wrote: »
    Is it bad that want to slap the OP?

    Quite restrained, really.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭saywhatyousee


    I get a lady in to iron my clothes every now and again i pay 15 a hour.The reason is most ironing/cleaning job take 2-3 hours would you really be bothered showing up for a job if were getting paid 8.65 for 2 hours after transport cost ect you would come away with about 14 euro.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    Well OP, if you're going to follow legislation and start looking at minimum wage are you also going to register and pay their PRSI?
    Annual leave too, part time people get eight percent holiday pay

    Of course you wont
    The market is there, put your offer out there and see if you get anyone


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭howsyourtusk


    Why should any person have to clean up after another person is the question your OP should have been.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,215 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Why should qualifications always decide a wage? Construction jobs used to be well paid and that didn't require qualifications. If it's a tough job it should be paid accordingly IMO.

    If I were to pay someone to do the cleaning jobs I'm too lazy to do (like the oven and windows) I'd be scarlet just paying them 8 or 9 euro an hour.


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