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Trying to register .ie domain

  • 17-05-2011 7:39pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 264 ✭✭


    Hi,

    So I am in the process of registering a .ie domain name.

    I indicated that I would be opening an ecommerce store and I need the following documents:

    RBN/CRO Number
    Registered VAT Number
    Signed document from either Bank Manager, Solicitor or Accountant confirming you are a Sole Trader along with a letter from yourself outlining your connection to the domain name (what it means, what it will be used for)


    Problem is that I don't have any of these. I contacted revenue before and they said I dont need to register as a sole trader unless I went above 3,000 euro profit. So I didn't, and hence I have none of the above.


    Would I be better off just telling them I want the domain for personal use or something and then just carry on as I was?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭HellFireClub


    What you need to do OP is register a Business Name with the CRO using the RBN1 form, when you pay your (40 Euro I think it is or 20 Euro if you do it online), you can fax the receipt you get to your web hosting company and this will tick the little public sector box that needs to be ticked in order to issue you with a domain name.

    http://www.cro.ie/ena/business-registration-business-name.aspx


  • Registered Users Posts: 143 ✭✭Zonua


    The ".ie" domain names are among the most controlled in the world.

    In order to secure one, you need to prove entitlement. Entitlement may be your full name, or the name of your (registered) business or company.

    So if you are called Joe Bloggs, you can register www.joebloggs.ie, but if you want to register the name of your business, you must have your business or company registered (with the CRO)

    You can apply for the domain name, and then it's up to the IEDR if they want accompanying documentation. In my experience, they mostly don't need supporting documentation, as entitlement is already clear (for example, if Joe Bloggs who owns the business name Lovely Shoes, supplies the RBN number and wants to register www.lovelyshoes.ie).

    So, if you want to use your business name in the domain name, what you need to do now, is register your business or company, and when that's done, you can apply for your .ie domain.

    PM me if you need more help.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,464 ✭✭✭MOH


    You could try applying for it on a discretionary basis with a very convincing letter, but tbh for the sake of 20 quid, register a business name online with the CRO.

    The business name cert might come in handy down the line if the business takes off and you ever want to open a business bank account, etc.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭HellFireClub


    MOH wrote: »
    You could try applying for it on a discretionary basis with a very convincing letter, but tbh for the sake of 20 quid, register a business name online with the CRO.

    The business name cert might come in handy down the line if the business takes off and you ever want to open a business bank account, etc.

    You're dealing with public servants here and their little "file". Best advice OP as someone who has registered loads of them is for the sake of 20 Euro, register the business name, when you get the 20 Euro receipt, (you have to go in and pay at the desk of the CRO in Parnell Street), send/fax the receipt they give you into your hosting company. This has always done the job for me for domain name registration.

    By the time you'll be done arguing and pleading with them, you'll have wished you just spent the 20 Euro and givem them the little bit of paper "for their file"...


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭Kersh


    What you need to do OP is register a Business Name with the CRO using the RBN1 form, when you pay your (40 Euro I think it is or 20 Euro if you do it online), you can fax the receipt you get to your web hosting company and this will tick the little public sector box that needs to be ticked in order to issue you with a domain name.

    http://www.cro.ie/ena/business-registration-business-name.aspx

    After doing this in order to register the .ie name, is it any hassle to then go on and register the business name as a Ltd company? or register for Vat thereafter?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,739 ✭✭✭mneylon


    Liveit wrote: »
    Hi,

    So I am in the process of registering a .ie domain name.

    I indicated that I would be opening an ecommerce store and I need the following documents:

    RBN/CRO Number
    Registered VAT Number
    Signed document from either Bank Manager, Solicitor or Accountant confirming you are a Sole Trader along with a letter from yourself outlining your connection to the domain name (what it means, what it will be used for)


    Problem is that I don't have any of these. I contacted revenue before and they said I dont need to register as a sole trader unless I went above 3,000 euro profit. So I didn't, and hence I have none of the above.


    Would I be better off just telling them I want the domain for personal use or something and then just carry on as I was?

    You need to get a registered business name from the CRO if you are trading as anything other than your given name ie. if your name is John Doe and you want to trade as Irish Widgets you would need it
    The VAT registration limits are unrelated


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭HellFireClub


    Kersh wrote: »
    After doing this in order to register the .ie name, is it any hassle to then go on and register the business name as a Ltd company? or register for Vat thereafter?

    No, you can register the company separately if you wish, and if you want to be particular about it, you can transfer the domain name into the ownership of the company. If the company name sounds like the name of the domain name, this shouldn't be a problem.

    A lot of folks get caught up with domain name ownership and the likes when starting up, I've seen folks buying up twenty domain names that they thought sounded like their original domain name in order to "protect their brand", and then a year later they haven't made a scent through their original domain name. My advice to you is once you get the domain name registered and in your name, don't worry too much about it afterwards or the ownership of it, (apart from keeping it registered in your name obviously once a year!), just plough into selling as much through it as you can!


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,739 ✭✭✭mneylon


    No, you can register the company separately if you wish, and if you want to be particular about it, you can transfer the domain name into the ownership of the company. If the company name sounds like the name of the domain name, this shouldn't be a problem.

    A lot of folks get caught up with domain name ownership and the likes when starting up, I've seen folks buying up twenty domain names that they thought sounded like their original domain name in order to "protect their brand", and then a year later they haven't made a scent through their original domain name. My advice to you is once you get the domain name registered and in your name, don't worry too much about it afterwards or the ownership of it, (apart from keeping it registered in your name obviously once a year!), just plough into selling as much through it as you can!
    While I appreciate your sentiments I'd have to disagree

    If, as I've seen happen, someone were to register:
    keyword.tld and keywords.tld were available they could easily end up having headaches later


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭HellFireClub


    Blacknight wrote: »
    While I appreciate your sentiments I'd have to disagree

    If, as I've seen happen, someone were to register:
    keyword.tld and keywords.tld were available they could easily end up having headaches later

    I hear ya, but where you you draw the line??? Do you register key-word.tld and key-words.tld???


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,739 ✭✭✭mneylon


    I hear ya, but where you you draw the line??? Do you register key-word.tld and key-words.tld???
    I'd avoid hyphens unless you're German (they seem to actually use them!) :)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,230 ✭✭✭jmcc


    90% of people type in .com automatically so if you had info.ie majority people would go to info.com.
    No. People are often smarter than that. If you are targeting the Irish market, it is best to have a .ie as .com is global.

    Regards...jmcc


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,739 ✭✭✭mneylon


    jmcc wrote: »
    No. People are often smarter than that. If you are targeting the Irish market, it is best to have a .ie as .com is global.

    Regards...jmcc
    TBH I don't think they're even typing in an extension a lot of the time


  • Registered Users Posts: 264 ✭✭Liveit


    Thanks guys! If the domain name were to include two actual words, would you register the business name as one or two words and with or without the .ie?


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,739 ✭✭✭mneylon


    Liveit wrote: »
    Thanks guys! If the domain name were to include two actual words, would you register the business name as one or two words and with or without the .ie?

    You cannot register a business name, company name or trademark with a domain extension

    You do not need to register a business name that exactly matches the .ie domain name you wish to register, however if the link between the business name and the domain name is not clear, you will be required to provide a signed letter outlining the link

    For example, if your business name was:

    "Cool Widgets"

    then you could get:
    coolwidget.ie, cool-widgets.ie, coolwidgets.ie,cool.ie or widgets.ie

    But to get something like:
    tracksuits.ie
    with that business name the link is not obvious, so you'd need the letter

    (NB: domain names mentioned etc., are purely for illustrative purposes)


  • Registered Users Posts: 264 ✭✭Liveit


    I see. Thanks for all the effort Blacknight I am currently in the process of registering a business name! If I knew you were this helpful I would have hosted with you. I'm still young so it will be the next one instead ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,001 ✭✭✭fl4pj4ck


    You need to get a registered business name from the CRO if you are trading as anything other than your given name ie. if your name is John Doe and you want to trade as Irish Widgets you would need it
    The VAT registration limits are unrelated

    no you don't always need a business name. last month I registered an address for the festival I'm kinda helping organizing, and there was no single question about any documentation. I just explained my entitlement on the webform and that was it, nobody even gave me a call

    seems to me it's up to the company you're dealing with, in this case it was LetsHost


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 108 ✭✭Get Cracking


    does anyone know anything about .co?
    its new i heard and its suppose to be bigger than .com when it gets going.
    more numbers using it,
    so it might be one to think about.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,739 ✭✭✭mneylon


    fl4pj4ck wrote: »
    no you don't always need a business name. last month I registered an address for the festival I'm kinda helping organizing, and there was no single question about any documentation. I just explained my entitlement on the webform and that was it, nobody even gave me a call
    A festival wouldn't fall into the same category as a normal business. You should have had to provide a signed letter however, so if the IEDR allowed the registration without any supporting documentation then there's something odd going on.
    fl4pj4ck wrote: »
    seems to me it's up to the company you're dealing with, in this case it was LetsHost

    No. It's down to the rules which are the same for everyone


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,739 ✭✭✭mneylon


    does anyone know anything about .co?
    its new i heard and its suppose to be bigger than .com when it gets going.
    more numbers using it,
    so it might be one to think about.
    .co relaunched about 12 months ago with an "open" registration policy.
    So far a few high profile companies have opted for it with Overstock, for example, switching to o.co

    It's far too early to say whether it will grow to be bigger than .com or not.. At the moment there are still less than a million .co domains registered


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭shoutman


    These threads are popping up so frequently, I've decided it would be a good idea to keep this one stickied.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,230 ✭✭✭jmcc


    does anyone know anything about .co?
    Yes.
    its new i heard and its suppose to be bigger than .com when it gets going.
    No it will not be bigger than .com for a very long time as .com has over 94 million domains registered. The .co ccTLD has less than one million domains registered and many of those will drop in the next few months.
    so it might be one to think about.
    Well in the web surveys I run each month, I've identified 642 .co domains on Irish hosters so there is a bit of interest in it. But it is very much a minority TLD in the Irish market. The bulk of the Irish market is centred on the IE/COM axis.

    The .co is a heavily speculated TLD and really only in its first year of operation as an open TLD where anyone can register domains. While there is development, I would estimate that around 50% of .co domains are parked with Pay Per Click advertising.

    So if you want to reach an Irish audience, register a .ie domain. For a UK audience, register a .co.uk. For an EU audience a .eu. But for a global audience, nothing beats .com in terms of recognition.

    Regards...jmcc


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 167 ✭✭stephenpalmer


    Great idea with the sticky mod. You could argue about any TLD becoming popular :) You could say oh the .ME is going to be huge but you never know. So by investing in a few I couldn't see you really losing out. Especially if you were thinking of starting a particular niche could be come pretty successful imwonderful.me etc

    In regards to the .Co about the 50% of domains that are parked. I would say that .com had a similar figure 5 years ago, i would imagine this would over time as the extension develops.

    My advice if you are getting contemplating a .IE over a .Com, I would pick the .COM if its available that is. However if it was something that was going to be local like 123.ie you would have better luck with the dot IE. Then again as long as you get a good name I wouldn't worry to much about the extension. Good Luck


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,739 ✭✭✭mneylon


    Great idea with the sticky mod. You could argue about any TLD becoming popular :) You could say oh the .ME is going to be huge but you never know. So by investing in a few I couldn't see you really losing out. Especially if you were thinking of starting a particular niche could be come pretty successful imwonderful.me etc

    In regards to the .Co about the 50% of domains that are parked. I would say that .com had a similar figure 5 years ago, i would imagine this would over time as the extension develops.

    My advice if you are getting contemplating a .IE over a .Com, I would pick the .COM if its available that is. However if it was something that was going to be local like 123.ie you would have better luck with the dot IE. Then again as long as you get a good name I wouldn't worry to much about the extension. Good Luck

    The key thing with any domain extension (apart from having a memorable name) is usage.

    What both .me and .co have been working very hard on is getting as much quality content usage on the names as possible.
    If people associate an extension with "quality" (which is really subjective) then the renewal rates will be better


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 167 ✭✭stephenpalmer


    Blacknight wrote: »
    The key thing with any domain extension (apart from having a memorable name) is usage.

    What both .me and .co have been working very hard on is getting as much quality content usage on the names as possible.
    If people associate an extension with "quality" (which is really subjective) then the renewal rates will be better

    Good point. Still though personally I would only pick these extensions if it was either a great name or fitted my business perfectly.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5 Derekf1


    Very easily done, register with www.cro.ie and then download and print the signature page, bring it in to the companies registry office on Parnell street along with €20, and in a couple of days you will receive your certificate of registration which has your RBN up in the top left corner, you just need to ring the domain hosting site where you bought it (eg register365.com) and you're up and running. You don't need to register for VAT unless you have a annual turnover exceeding €35,000 (product) or €75,000 (service)
    Hope this helps


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,739 ✭✭✭mneylon


    Derekf1 wrote: »
    Very easily done, register with www.cro.ie and then download and print the signature page, bring it in to the companies registry office on Parnell street along with €20, and in a couple of days you will receive your certificate of registration which has your RBN up in the top left corner, you just need to ring the domain hosting site where you bought it (eg register365.com) and you're up and running. You don't need to register for VAT unless you have a annual turnover exceeding €35,000 (product) or €75,000 (service)
    Hope this helps
    First off - that assumes that people want to register a business name in order to register a domain. In our experience a LOT of people and companies don't. And it's understandable.
    It can lead to complications and headaches further down the road.


  • Registered Users Posts: 166 ✭✭theshamu


    I want to set up a blog about a hobby of mine and would like a .ie I won't be using my name more like myhobbyirl.ie do I need to register a company name for this purpose? Thanks..


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,739 ✭✭✭mneylon


    theshamu wrote: »
    I want to set up a blog about a hobby of mine and would like a .ie I won't be using my name more like myhobbyirl.ie do I need to register a company name for this purpose? Thanks..

    You would probably need to register a business name with the CRO.
    It's the fastest and the easiest way of getting a domain


  • Registered Users Posts: 17 liamo1991


    Blacknight wrote: »
    You would probably need to register a business name with the CRO.
    It's the fastest and the easiest way of getting a domain

    This may sound stupid, If I was to register a company say Blog Interior Design, is there anything stopping me from registering a domain interiordesign.ie if it is available or does it have to relate to the company name exactly etc.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,739 ✭✭✭mneylon


    liamo1991 wrote: »
    This may sound stupid, If I was to register a company say Blog Interior Design, is there anything stopping me from registering a domain interiordesign.ie if it is available or does it have to relate to the company name exactly etc.
    It doesn't have to relate exactly, so if you had that business you could get a domain name made up of any combination of the keywords without any extra paperwork


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