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Airsoft Doesn't Sleep (Off-topic MADNESS!!!)MkII

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,061 ✭✭✭whydave


    A man buys a lie detector robot that slaps people who lie. he decided to test it at dinner:

    Dad: Son where were you today during school hours?
    Son: At school (robot slaps son)

    ...Son: Okay I went to the movies!
    Dad: Which one?
    Son: Harry Potter (robot slaps again!)

    Son: Okay I was watching porn.
    Dad: What? When I was your age I didn't even know what porn was! (robot slaps dad)
    Mom: Hahahahaha! after all he is your son!(robot slaps mom).


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭Puding


    Blay wrote: »
    Nice to know what the real steelers think of us:pac:

    have to agree with andy on this one, actually rather a good post, all the points are good points and represent a point of view of the vast majority of people, airsoft is a minority and it is a little 'strange' , we ignore and laugh at views like this are your peril

    we can not have it both ways, you can not encourage milsim and events like those put on my organiser like stirling, ta events and tier 1 and turn around and say it is not that 'military' , especially when airsoft is actually being used for training but police and military at this stage, can not shove our heads in the ground on this one


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,275 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    Puding wrote: »
    we can not have it oth ways, you can not encourage milsim and events like those put on my organiser like stirling, ta events and tier 1 and turn around and say it is not that 'military' especially when airsoft is actually being used for training but police and military at this stage, can not shove our heads in the ground on this one

    Airsoft is indeed used by militaries/police but to say that airsoft, even in milsim form can prepare people for real combat is crazy..to me anyway. We've always pushed the opposite on radio shows etc. so to follow with the idea it is 'training' people for actual combat is making a liar out of ourselves really. I'm not saying such ideas should be maligned or ignored but they should be addressed with a degree of common sense.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭Puding


    Im not saying to fall in line, we just have to acknowledge that it is a valid concern of people, and tbh i would put large sums of money on this view point far out numbering those with a positive angle on airsoft.

    It is the chick and an egg thing and the same arguments also get dragged up with videos games in a way, personally im of the opinion that violent games and airsoft do not make 'unstable people' but they defiantly do attract them like moths to a flame, and tbh it is something as a community we should be aware of.

    We get defensive of airsoft, and we have a tendency to ignore some issues and apply the rose tinted glasses. At times we start to believe it all and that can be dangerous as we can get complacent.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,275 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    Puding wrote: »
    Im not saying to fall in line, we just have to acknowledge that it is a valid concern of people, and tbh i would put large sums of money on this view point far out numbering those with a positive angle on airsoft.

    It is the chick and an egg thing and the same arguments also get dragged up with videos games in a way, personally im of the opinion that violent games and airsoft do not make 'unstable people' but they defiantly do attract them like moths to a flame, and tbh it is something as a community we should be aware of.

    We get defensive of airsoft, and we have a tendency to ignore some issues and apply the rose tinted glasses. At times we start to believe it all and that can be dangerous as we can get complacent.

    I agree with all your points, 'fall in line' wasn't really the correct term to use there, meant more that to allow such ideas to spread without us at least trying to give our side of it would be wrong.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 896 ✭✭✭UnkieKev


    Blay wrote: »
    Nice to know what the real steelers think of us:pac:

    What a muppet...


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭Puding


    Blay wrote: »
    I agree with all your points, 'fall in line' wasn't really the correct term to use there, meant more that to allow such ideas to spread without us at least trying to give our side of it would be wrong.

    i would agree, unfortunately it is not easy just to dismiss it, the strongest defence again this is actually to actively show that we are a responsible community, this is far easy said than done of course


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,553 ✭✭✭Dogwatch


    It is a very myopic view of airsoft.

    To say it is preparing young people for combat is taking it a bit too far, because if it was true,
    the authorities here would ban it immediately and armed forces around the world would not have use very large,
    expensive training facilities to properly prepare their soldiers/marines/sailors and airmen for the real thing.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 22,584 CMod ✭✭✭✭Steve


    Airsoft has the distinct advantage over RS in that if you get shot then you don't die, you respawn as the gamers would say.

    I'm sure if any of you felt genuine fear of death in a game then you would use vastly different tactics. So, no, in general, Airsoft cannot really prepare you for real life military situations unless it's conducted as part of a *real* military training exercise (which would be a bit pointless given the range of Airsoft guns unless it was close quarters training).

    Just MHO. :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Stealthirl


    Well i spent a hour today plinking with 3 Guards in the garden.
    They all want to come out with me to a game now :rolleyes:

    1 was very interested in the mp7 and shotgun


    Oh and

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,363 ✭✭✭gerrowadat


    Steve wrote: »
    Airsoft has the distinct advantage over RS in that if you get shot then you don't die, you respawn as the gamers would say.

    I'm sure if any of you felt genuine fear of death in a game then you would use vastly different tactics. So, no, in general, Airsoft cannot really prepare you for real life military situations unless it's conducted as part of a *real* military training exercise (which would be a bit pointless given the range of Airsoft guns unless it was close quarters training).

    Just MHO. :)

    However, Ireland does have funny laws which are designed around preventing people from doing drills or practicing for a specific event. It's why a lot of events (i.e. those not run by mongs) use fictional situations. The could I remember from time on the IAA that used real situations ended up raising questions from inside and outside airsoft.

    I have to agree on the muscle memory thing. I fired a RS tavor a few months back, and the feel of the stanag mags and reloading while maintaining trigger disciple and firing just came naturally, despite never having fired a real assault rifle before.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,638 ✭✭✭F.U.B.A.R


    andy_g wrote: »
    I think I actually want to thank that post, He sums it up fairly well to a point :D

    look tbh he's way off base the only tactics that work for airsoft is shoot first and ask questions later and the mussle memory is useless as theres massive differences between real steel and aeg's I know as Iam military besides if a youth whants to be militarised all they have to do is join RDF although I do agree to some aspects of this stupid rant


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,638 ✭✭✭F.U.B.A.R


    also my idea and experience of 'military' is a dissaplined 24hr routine... thats just non-existent in airsoft


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,087 ✭✭✭moggser


    <SNIP> "Rape" pics removed, Read the OP. content is to be SFW

    hmmm my rape pic was worse then post #22 in this thread where that escaped the snip yeah

    nothing against Magic Irl

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,061 ✭✭✭whydave


    "There's something I must confess." "Shhh". said the wife, "There's nothing to confess. Everything's all right." "No" the husband replied "I must die in peace. I had sex with your sister, your best friend, her best friend and your best friend's mum!"
    "I know," she whispered "That's why I poisoned you, you bastard!


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,061 ✭✭✭whydave


    moggser wrote: »
    hmmm my rape pic was worse then post #22 in this thread where that escaped the snip yeah

    nothing against Magic Irl

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,638 ✭✭✭F.U.B.A.R


    Ha! Tactical facepalm........ geniouse :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,087 ✭✭✭moggser


    whydave wrote: »
    moggser wrote: »
    hmmm my rape pic was worse then post #22 in this thread where that escaped the snip yeah

    nothing against Magic Irl

    3676039954_d5b1635986_b.jpg

    facepalms0x8f.jpg


    See you vops command ya fake ya phoney. How many of Paul Carey's

    Mod edit: <blubber blubber blubber>


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,061 ✭✭✭whydave




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,397 ✭✭✭MerryDespot


    Steve wrote: »

    I'm sure if any of you felt genuine fear of death in a game then you would use vastly different tactics.

    I was just thinking the same thing Steve.

    Example from earlier at HRTA. We're getting flanked by a group coming into the village. I know that there are two lads on the opposite side of a container at the leading edge of the village, both looking left. I know there are an indeterminate number of enemies (somewhere between 0 and everyone) to the right of that container between there and the river. So chances of getting brapped are high to certain. But I still leg it right around the container to brap the two lads - in the process getting taken out from two others in the ditch line on my right.

    Any of the PDF lads who play laugh at the stuff that us walts get up to in airsoft (coming from an environment where taking their hits is not a yes/no option) - it's certainly not training us for anything other than running around shooting plastic bbs at each other (and then, not very well!).

    Muscle memory is different. I'd actually agree with that point. But this is not an issue - after all none of us are going to be in a position to put this muscle memory to use on anything other than an airsoft gun - so it's a moot point.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 22,584 CMod ✭✭✭✭Steve


    moggser wrote: »
    Mod edit: <blubber blubber blubber>
    I don't understand :confused: Please explain in a week when your ban expires.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,152 ✭✭✭Inari


    Muscle memory is a term that annoys the bejaysus out of me. It is a very specific thing. Your muscle memory is where your body ingrains a very specific neuromuscular pathway i.e. it triggers muscular reactions (that are in sequence) after a specific trigger (gun pun FTW). It requires constant adaptation, and takes quite a while to become finely ingrained.

    It is not to be confused with practise, refinement, and adaptation. Muscle memory is completely sub conscious. An example is where prison guards in the states were trained to disarm convicts of knives/stabbing objects, and because in training they always flipped the knife around and handed it back, they did so in real life situations. It was finely ingrained, and their body just 'did'. If they had been aware, and not on auto pilot, they would have used the neuromuscular pathways, but stopped before they handed the knife back.

    Muscle memory is almost a curse...you want to be fully adaptive, not autonomous. Why? You are not in control on auto-pilot, and you WILL make mistakes. You need to be aware. Practise makes permanent, especially when you're absent of thought


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,984 ✭✭✭NakedDex


    whydave wrote: »

    Joking aside, I want the rail mounted bottle opener.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭tonyj_mc




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,984 ✭✭✭NakedDex


    I was actually just going to manufacture one in work on the mill, but for a tenner, it's worth the splash.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,638 ✭✭✭F.U.B.A.R


    tonyj_mc wrote: »

    Rite thats annother part added to the project shopping list :rolleyes: and I thought I could do this project from a minimulistic view lol I couldnt have been more wrong..... :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,397 ✭✭✭MerryDespot




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,222 ✭✭✭Irishmaster


    Ive heard about lipos and what can happen but this is the first time ive seen this! Lol!


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,463 ✭✭✭Leftyflip


    Ive heard about lipos and what can happen but this is the first time ive seen this! Lol!

    Have to say, in my year of using lipos - I've never had any issues or found them to be dangerous - must just be everyone else.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,504 ✭✭✭Damo 2k9



    Skip to about 1:35 :P


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