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National ID card for Ireland?

  • 26-05-2010 5:28pm
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    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,102 ✭✭✭


    Alot of other EU countries have National ID cards issued to their citizens. In Ireland we do not have a National ID card which means currently if we want to travel to any of the 26 other countries in the European Union (bar the UK) or to the members outside the EU but within Schengen such as Norway, Iceland and Switzerland we need a passport.

    As Ireland has a common travel with the United Kingdom and a shared land border with Northern Ireland (part of the UK) we do not need to show any documentation when crossing the land border nor are there any checkpoints.

    When flying from the Republic of Ireland to the UK Valid ID must be shown at checkin with the Airline and varies by airline; Ryanair insist on Passport for Irish citizens on all flights including domestic, wheras other airlines will accept a Drivers Licence or other valid ID for flights to the UK. Upon arrival from the UK into Ireland valid ID must be shown to the GNIB (Garda National Immigration Bureau who mans Passport Control at our airports), This ID can consist of passport or Drivers licence.

    I think in Ireland we need a National ID Card as it would allow us to travel without our passports and we now have the ludicrous situation where if I travel by Ryanair within Ireland I must show my passport at checkin and a Valid ID (Passport or Drivers Licence) to Passport Control at Dublin Airport due to Ryanair lumping domestic passengers into International Arrivals instead of routing them separately as domestic arrivals like Aer Arran does on their Domestics.

    If we had a National ID card it would allow to travel to these countries without a passport and on Ryanair also, it would make for more convienent travel and cut costs and bureaucracy. If I was to lose my passport I would have to apply for a new one at considerable cost and also have to cancel and re-apply for the Visas I have in my Irish passport meaning alot of bureacracy and hassle.

    As a member of the European Union; Ireland is denying its citizens free travel throughout the Union by not issuing ID cards. Imagine a Citizen of the United States in New York being unable to travel to California without a US Passport?? When in reality that New Yorker only needs his driving licence. Nearly all other EU countries have ID cards except the UK who cancelled their ID card programme due to costs.

    Would you support the introduction of a National ID card for citizens of Ireland? 111 votes

    Yes
    0% 0 votes
    No
    100% 111 votes


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Comments

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,645 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    In before the Godwin.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,127 ✭✭✭✭Leeg17


    In before the crazzzy conspiracists.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,167 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    I have a passport. Surely the same thing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,554 ✭✭✭✭alwaysadub


    I thought they were meant to be bringing them out anyway no?


  • Registered Users Posts: 273 ✭✭okioffice84


    "May I see your papers please?"


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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,871 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    If said ID card didn't cost 85€ and is NOT cumpolsory, then yes, I like the idea.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,102 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    I have a passport. Surely the same thing.

    Yes and No, A passport will allow you to travel to all the EU and Schengen areas yes but a passport is both expensive and very valuable. Look at the trouble people are having trying to get passports issued due to the current industrial relations dispute. A passport allows you to travel worldwide and have visas applied to it, a National ID card would allow for easier EU & Schengen travel and is credit card sized and fits in your wallet. A passport is bigger, more valuable and if you lose when abroad you will need to get an emergency one issued from a consular facility to get home.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 977 ✭✭✭Abrasax


    Didn't they just announce the scrapping of I.D. cards in the UK, in the Queens Speech yesterday?
    I say we copy the Brits on this one occasion.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,102 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    Ikky Poo2 wrote: »
    If said ID card didn't cost 85€ and is NOT cumpolsory, then yes, I like the idea.

    I would be against mandatory carrying of ID cards as it goes against our way of life. I am firmly in favour of them as travel documents for ease of use and as a cheaper alternative to a passport.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Stinicker wrote: »
    Nearly all other EU countries have ID cards except the UK who cancelled their ID card programme due to costs.

    Here's your problem.
    Unless we plan to print them out with the electronic voting machines in storage.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,102 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    mikom wrote: »
    Here's your problem.

    A national ID card programme could be implemented in a far better way than the UK went about it, they were to create a massive database of personal information and monitor everything, in the process creating massive expenditure and jobs for the public sector. Labour's political ideaology of statist socialism derailed a good plan by making it so bloated and full of H.S.E style "jobs for the boys" that it was the first thing Cameron snipped when he got in. Plus there were privacy concerns due to the way they implemented it. By rolling out our ID card as a travel document rather than a big brother survlliance database then I can imagine the government even making a bit of money out of it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,969 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    Why is it such a hassle to bring your passport?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,084 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    It depends on the context. First of all I would be opposed to the mandatory carrying of an identity document, like which happens on the continent. I don't like the idea of some inspector demanding to know who I am at any time, whether I've done nothing wrong or not.

    What I would be in favour of is an Identity document which is used to access state benefits. This would have to be a sophisticated biometric one, which could help combat fraud. On the other hand, if a way to circumvent the technology is found it could lead to an increase in fraud as people tend to trust these "unforgeable" documents.

    Is a retina/fingerprint scan too much to ask for to get the dole?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    "May I see your papers please?"
    You said it. :eek:


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,390 ✭✭✭✭Turtyturd


    syklops wrote: »
    Why is it such a hassle to bring your passport?

    He is embarrassed by the photo.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,969 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    A while back I did a presentation to some managers in the company I worked to demonstrate why I didnt think they should invest in fingerprint scanner functionality in the new laptops they were buying. They dealt with quite sensitive information and wanted as much security as possible.

    On the way to the presentation i bough some talcum powder, sellotape and dark paper. I took a very clean thumb print off the catch on the front of the laptop where the lid closed. Using the sellotape I transferred it to the paper, and then wrapped the paper around my finger. Open sesame, it authenticated me.

    Biometrics is not developed enough yet to give proper security in my opinion. The hardest one to fake is a retinal scan, but the cost of the hardware to perform the scan is collossal. Then you have to store the image of hash on an electronic card, and use that to authenticate the user. It could be possible to not fake the retina scan, but instead just insert a retina scan of the identity theft's eye onto the card he has nicked. Then he will have a perfectly legal card, that is actually a fake.

    The cheapest biometric is fingerprints but as Gil Grissom will show you, using fingerprints for authentication is like leaving your passwords lying around on bits of paper everywhere you go.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,021 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    Stinicker wrote: »
    Look at the trouble people are having trying to get passports issued due to the current industrial relations dispute.

    Wheras a national ID card issuing authority would somehow be immune to experiencing issues with industrial relations ?

    FAIL !


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    I have a passport. Surely the same thing.
    In a way yes if it your passport was issued after 16th October 2006 and the ID card contains the same 13.56mhz biometric chip.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,642 ✭✭✭Nolimits


    I for one would have no problem with having a continental system whereby everyone has to carry around their id cards with them. I don't think the Gards should be allowed to ask to see someones "papers" for no reason but if you do something wrong it's an easy way for them to acertain your real name/address etc (not saying that the address should be printed on the card).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Stinicker wrote: »
    A national ID card programme could be implemented in a far better way than the UK went about it,

    Ah, Ireland.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,230 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    Mandatory photo ID would be no inconvenience to me, I carry 2 forms of it with me everywhere anyway (Student Card and Drivers Licence).

    Makes the Guards job a ton easier when checking identities and means you can't give a false name etc. if you have a card on you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,021 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    sdonn wrote: »
    Mandatory photo ID would be no inconvenience to me, I carry 2 forms of it with me everywhere anyway (Student Card and Drivers Licence)..

    So why do you think you need yet another ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,964 ✭✭✭Sitec


    What the fcuk is a Schengen?

    Sound like a lidl beer.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Sitec wrote: »
    What the fcuk is a Schengen?

    Schengen, it's an area in Kneurgen, near the Joergen Fjords.
    That's in the Klargen Province, near the Biburgen River.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,689 ✭✭✭Kasabian


    I don't need an ID card , I know who I am.

    I have a birth cert , passport , a driving licence , household bills , bank accounts , mobile phone and an IP address how much more do they need to know about me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Kasabian wrote: »
    I don't need an ID card , I know who I am.

    I have a birth cert , passport , a driving licence , household bills , bank accounts , mobile phone and an IP address how much more do they need to know about me.
    Give you a national ID card and the authorities will have access to your birth cert , passport , a driving licence , household bills , bank accounts , mobile phone and an IP address at the tip of their finger tips every time it is scanned.

    Currently your PPS number is now required by up to 64 different departments.

    One electronic card will satisfy all these departments.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,021 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    One electronic card will satisfy all these departments.

    And make identity fraudsters jobs so much easier...........


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    And make identity fraudsters jobs so much easier...........
    Precisely, and they can be scanned and cloned by a hacker from up to several feet away with current technology, even if they are concealed in your pocket. :eek:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9isKnDiJNPk


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,021 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    Rather than introducing ID cards it would make sense to improve the security of existing forms of ID such as Passports, Driving licences and PPS/RSI/NI/whatever theyre called these days cards.

    Actually there is no good reason these days why all of the above cant even come in the form of a single credit card sized chip card.

    That rigmarole for "certifying" passport photos is positively ludicrous


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    Rather than introducing ID cards it would make sense to improve the security of existing forms of ID such as Passports, Driving licences and PPS/RSI/NI/whatever theyre called these days cards.

    Actually there is no good reason these days why all of the above cant even come in the form of a single credit card sized chip card.

    That rigmarole for "certifying" passport photos is positively ludicrous
    All it would is for some sloppy civil servant to leave a pen drive or laptop lying about to fall into the wrong hands, and don't say that this hasn't happened before.


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