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Irelands most likely Olympic 2012 Medals

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  • #482
    Dan man
    Registered Users Posts: 3,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dan man


    UPDATE: A few swim times coming in recently from the Danish Olympic Trials, Canadian Olympic Trials and swim meet in U.S.A.

    Note:
    Swimmers in bold have achieved the Olympic qualifying standard and are elligible to take part in the Olympics.
    Red text signifies that the swimmer has achieved the O.S.T. but can in fact compete in that event at the Olympics as they have achieved the O.Q.T. in another event and this allows them to enter any event in which they have only achieved the O.S.T.
    The Olympic Selection/Invitation Time (O.S.T.) is a minimum time needed for a swimmer to be invited to take part in the Games. However, this time does not secure a swimmer's place at the Olympics as there is a quota of no more than 900 swimmers in place for London 2012.
    Irish swimmers must achieve the Olympic Qualifying Time, but those swimmers who have achieved the qualifying standard in an event can also enter other events in which they have only achieved the Olympic Selection/Invitation Time.
    In essence, the Olympic Qualifying Time and the Olympic Selection/Invitation Time act somewhat similarly to the A and the B qualifying standards process used in athletics but with the added protocol that I have outlined above.

    MEN:

    SWIMMER|EVENT|OLYMPIC QUALIFYING TIME|OLYMPIC INVITATION TIME|BEST SWIM TIME 2011/12|
    Barry Murphy|50m Freestyle|22.11secs|22.88secs|22.71secs|
    Ryan Harrison|200m Freestyle|1:47.82mins|1:51.59mins|1:49.18mins|
    Karl Burdis|100m Backstroke|54.40secs|56.30secs|55.90secs|
    Barry Murphy|100m Breastroke|1:00.79mins|1:02.92mins|1:00.77mins (QT)|
    Andrew Bree|100m Breastroke|1:00.79mins|1:02.92mins|1:02.54mins|
    Andrew Bree|200m Breastroke|2:11.74mins|2:16.35mins|2:15.46mins|
    Jonathan Quinn|200m Individual Medley|2:00.17mins|2:04.38mins|2:04.25mins|


    WOMEN:

    SWIMMER|EVENT|OLYMPIC QUALIFYING TIME|OLYMPIC INVITATION TIME|BEST SWIM TIME 2011/12|
    Fiona Doyle|50m Freestyle|25.27secs|26.15secs|26.04secs|
    Fiona Doyle|100m Freestyle|54.57secs|56.48secs|56.75secs|
    Grainne Murphy|200m Freestyle|1:58.33mins|2:02.47mins|2:00.02mins|
    Melanie Nocher|200m Freestyle|1:58.33mins|2:02.47mins|2:00.49mins|
    Sycerika McMahon|200m Freestyle|1:58.33mins|2:02.47mins|2:00.61mins|
    Bethany Carson|200m Freestyle|1:58.33mins|2:02.47mins|2:02.44mins|
    Grainne Murphy|400m Freestyle|4:09.35mins|4:18.07mins|4:09.89mins|
    Sycerika McMahon|400m Freestyle|4:09.35mins|4:18.07mins|4:13.85mins|
    Grainne Murphy|800m Freestyle|8:33.84mins|8:51.82mins| 8:29.55mins (QT)|
    Nuala Murphy|800m Freestyle|8:33.84mins|8:51.82mins|8:50.15mins|
    Aisling Cooney|100m Backstroke|1:00.82mins|1:02.95mins|1:01.76mins|
    Melanie Nocher|100m Backstroke|1:00.82mins|1:02.95mins|1:01.92mins|
    Melanie Nocher|200m Backstroke|2:10.84mins|2:15.42mins|2:11.71mins|
    Sycerika McMahon|100m Breastroke|1:08.49mins|1:10.89mins|1:09.24mins|
    Fiona Doyle|100m Breastroke|1:08.49mins|1:10.89mins|1:08.98mins|
    Fiona Doyle|200m Breastroke|2:26.89mins|2:32.03mins|2:31.05mins|
    Shani Stallard|200m Breastroke|2:26.89mins|2:32.03mins|2:30.63mins|
    Bethany Carson|100m Butterfly|58.70mins|1:00.75mins|1:00.53mins|
    Grainne Murphy|200m Individual Medley|2:13.36mins|2:18.03mins|2:15.82mins|
    Sycerika McMahon|200m Individual Medley|2:13.36mins|2:18.03mins|2:16.14mins|
    Grainne Murphy|400m Individual Medley|4:41.75mins|4:51.75mins|4:44.61mins|
    Sycerika McMahon|400m Individual Medley|4:41.75mins|4:51.75mins|4:49.87mins|


  • #483
    Dan man
    Registered Users Posts: 3,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dan man


    Irish triathlete Aileen Morrison has started her 2012 season with a decent performance finishing 2nd at the European Cup Triathlon in Quarteira Portugal today. A lot of her main rivals were not competing in the event but that is not to say that there were no talented triathletes on show, far from it. The result will also benefit Aileen to the tune of E1,250 so not a bad day's work at all. Aileen made up significant ground on the 10km run phase, posting the second best run of all triathletes in the field. Good start to her London preparations.


  • #484
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 75,196 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    For the information of regulars here, I'll be trying to keep this thread up to date with Martyn Irvine's exploits in the Track World Championships - looking good after the first event, lying in 8th place


  • #485
    Dan man
    Registered Users Posts: 3,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dan man


    Another 8th place for Irvine bringing his tally to 16 points. He is now 7th overall with the Dane slightly ahead on 13 points. Looking very good now for Martyn's prospects of qualification for the Olympics as the Polish rider is well down the field and he is also ahead of the Belgian rider. Next up for Martyn is the elimination race, usually his weakest discipline so if he can get through that without adding too many points to his total he will be looking very strong for the rest of the Omnium.


  • #486
    knockcon
    Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭knockcon


    Looks good. He mixed it well with thebigg guns in the points race. Hopefully he didn't burn up too much energy for elim race.


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  • #487
    Dan man
    Registered Users Posts: 3,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dan man


    Here are the provisional European rider Olympic rankings after two events in the Omnium, a bit premature I know but it gives you an idea of how things stand currently:
    6th IRELAND (945), 7th Belgium (893), 8th Denmark (870), 9th Poland (730).
    Remember top 8 qualify for London.


  • #488
    knockcon
    Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭knockcon


    You beauty Caroline Ryan!!!!!!!


  • #489
    Dan man
    Registered Users Posts: 3,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dan man


    So after day one of the Omnium Martyn Irvine is lying in a repsectable 10th place overall on 30 points. This is quite encouraging as usually the second day is his strongest. Although the elimination race might not have been to kind to Irvine, in fact, 14th in that event isn't too bad considering it is usually his weakest event and after all, it can be a bit of a lottery in those early eliminations.
    Here are the Omnium standings at the halfway stage for those riders that are challenging for the Olympic places:
    Denmark 7th (24 points), Belgium 9th (28 points), IRELAND 10th (30 points), Poland 11th (33 points).
    Here are the provisional European rider Olympic rankings of which the top 8 will qualify for London.
    6th Belgium (963), 7th IRELAND (885), 8th Denmark (830), 9th Poland (780).
    So things are hotting up and while Irvine will need to keep performing well, it is still looking very nice for his Olympic qualification.


  • #490
    Dodge
    Registered Users Posts: 10,145 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    knockcon wrote: »
    You beauty Caroline Ryan!!!!!!!

    Ireland's first track medal since 1897! Brilliant performance. Shame its not an olympic discipline


  • #491
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 75,196 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Dodge wrote: »
    Ireland's first track medal since 1897! Brilliant performance. Shame its not an olympic discipline
    If it was a few more of the "big" teams would have put an effort into the qualification, and Ireland's chances (to even qualify a place in the World Championships) would have been reduced


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  • #492
    Dan man
    Registered Users Posts: 3,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dan man


    Two very solid performances by Martyn Irvine today has cemented his place amongst the Olympic qualifying positions now. 4th in the Individual Pursuit was followed by a 9th in the Scratch race to keep him in 7th overall on 48 points. If the Polish rider doesn't win the final event (1km time trial), then Irvine is through to London. Even if the Pole does win that event, Irvine needs only a top 16 in the final event. Here are the provisional European Olympic rider rankings in which the top 8 qualify for London:
    6th Belgium (983), 7th Denmark (910), 8th IRELAND (845), 9th Poland (780).


  • #493
    Dan man
    Registered Users Posts: 3,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dan man


    Martyn Irvine is the latest addition to Ireland's list of Olympic qualifiers, good on him. More info to come once the Omnium finishes.


  • #494
    Dan man
    Registered Users Posts: 3,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dan man


    So the men's Omnium has completed and the great news from an Irish perspective is that Martyn Irvine has secured a quota spot for Ireland to ride this event at the London Olympics. His performances over the last 2 days have been very strong with the only hiccup coming as expected in the elimination race. Martyn continues to improve and can look to do very well at the Olympics. He will be one of the main attractions from an Irish point of view when the Olympics get underway as he should be one of the country's top performers. Here is a rundown of his World Championships:

    Flying Lap - 8th
    Points Race - 8th
    Elimination Race - 14th
    Individual Pursuit - 4th
    Scratch Race - 9th
    1km Time Trial - 6th
    Overall result- 7th place (49 points)

    Here are the unconfirmed European rider Olympic Rankings (top 8 qualify):
    1. Great Britain 1,830 points
    2. Germany 1,300 pts
    3. France 1,383 pts
    4. Spain 1,133 pts
    5. Italy 990 pts
    6. Belgium 963 pts
    7. IRELAND 945 pts
    8. Denmark 910 pts
    9. Poland 760 pts


  • #495
    makl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭makl


    heard a rumour there's a polish medal possibility trying to qualify out of cork in canoeing. he's based there many years and looking to get a passport. any light on this?


  • #496
    K_1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 326 ✭✭K_1


    makl wrote: »
    heard a rumour there's a polish medal possibility trying to qualify out of cork in canoeing. he's based there many years and looking to get a passport. any light on this?

    Yeah serious medal contender if the passport comes through in time.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrzej_Jezierski


  • #497
    makl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭makl


    K_1 wrote: »
    Yeah serious medal contender if the passport comes through in time.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrzej_Jezierski

    he hasn't won anything (or competed?) since 2005, just getting back into it? why isn't he going for poland?


  • #498
    K_1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 326 ✭✭K_1


    makl wrote: »
    he hasn't won anything (or competed?) since 2005, just getting back into it? why isn't he going for poland?

    Not entirely sure about why he hasn't competed/won anything lately, but Ireland has no C1 (single canoe) paddlers, so presumably it would be easier get the Irish spot than the Polish spot, as Poland has a lot of C1 paddlers.


  • #499
    Yellow Jersey
    Registered Users Posts: 5 ✭Yellow Jersey


    http://www.rte.ie/sport/cycling/2012/0410/316702-ryan-to-target-london-2012-road-race/


  • #500
    Truman Burbank
    Registered Users Posts: 543 ✭✭✭Truman Burbank


    http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/olympic-marathon-race-turns-into-sprint-3060656.html

    What does Team GB do for example?

    How do you assess 'final phase readiness'? (And for a marathon :confused:)
    Is that the same as 'current form'?

    Non athlete here. Clearly.


  • #501
    Dan man
    Registered Users Posts: 3,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dan man


    Truman Burbank wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/olympic-marathon-race-turns-into-sprint-3060656.html

    What does Team GB do for example?

    How do you assess 'final phase readiness'? (And for a marathon :confused:)
    Is that the same as 'current form'?

    Non athlete here. Clearly.

    Who knows what they mean, but my take on it would be that "final phase readiness" would not mean that the athletes have to run the standard again before London. In fact probably the opposite of this, final phase readiness would more likely imply that those who are most prepared to run a good marathon in August at the time of the Olympics will be favoured. Those who have had a decent build-up and lengthy training approach with the Olympic marathon in mind will likely stand a better chance of being selected than those who have had less of a turn-over between marathons (in terms of running a qualifying time just a couple of months before the Games, then returning to a shorter period of training for the Olympic marathon). Of course, the times will be an important factor but if all qualifiers have similar enough times then those with a kinder turnover between marathons might just shade the decision. It would be a welcome predicament in the sense that it is healthy for the sport to have multiple qualifiers. The other side of the coin would be the unfortunate situation that an athlete who trained hard to achieve the standard and were successful in doing so would be left of the Irish team. Not long to wait anyhow to see how it pans out.


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  • #502
    Dan man
    Registered Users Posts: 3,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dan man


    Irish pentathlete Natalya Coyle suffered a slight setback to her Olympic qualifying campaign, narrowly missing out on qualifying for this weekend's final of the World Cup leg in Budapest by one place. She finished in 13th, just outside the top 12 qualifying positions having slipped down from 9th place on the combined shoot/run phase. It doesn't hamper her Olympic chances too much but it will make the task of qualification a little more uncertain. Lots more chances yet for her to get back on track and I would still be very confident of her achieving qualification by the completion of the qualifying process.
    Arthur Lanigan-O'Keeffe, our other big Olympic hope is in action in men's qualifying tomorrow along with Eanna Bailey.


  • #503
    Truman Burbank
    Registered Users Posts: 543 ✭✭✭Truman Burbank


    Dan man wrote: »
    Who knows what they mean, but my take on it would be that "final phase readiness" would not mean that the athletes have to run the standard again before London. In fact probably the opposite of this, final phase readiness would more likely imply that those who are most prepared to run a good marathon in August at the time of the Olympics will be favoured. Those who have had a decent build-up and lengthy training approach with the Olympic marathon in mind will likely stand a better chance of being selected than those who have had less of a turn-over between marathons (in terms of running a qualifying time just a couple of months before the Games, then returning to a shorter period of training for the Olympic marathon). Of course, the times will be an important factor but if all qualifiers have similar enough times then those with a kinder turnover between marathons might just shade the decision. It would be a welcome predicament in the sense that it is healthy for the sport to have multiple qualifiers. The other side of the coin would be the unfortunate situation that an athlete who trained hard to achieve the standard and were successful in doing so would be left of the Irish team. Not long to wait anyhow to see how it pans out.

    I didn't think they had to run the standard again; I didn't know what they had to do, in terms of assessment..........like 10ks........whatever....... to remain competitive so to speak. Will indeed know soon. Thanks. Here's something on TEAM GB selection from Steve Cram.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/17666490


  • #504
    Dan man
    Registered Users Posts: 3,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dan man


    Truman Burbank wrote: »
    I didn't think they had to run the standard again; I didn't know what they had to do, in terms of assessment..........like 10ks........whatever....... to remain competitive so to speak. Will indeed know soon. Thanks. Here's something on TEAM GB selection from Steve Cram.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/17666490

    Sorry, I know you didn't think that, I was addressing the point made in the article in the Independent where they mention about running the standard again. It's tough to analyse form for the marathon, usually half marathons can give some indication of an athlete's condition but at the end of the day the marathon is a whole different beast.


  • #505
    Dan man
    Registered Users Posts: 3,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dan man


    Irish pentathlete Arthur Lanigan-O'Keeffe has reached his third consecutive World Cup final (all three legs of the 2012 season so far) by finishing 11th in his qualification heat in Budapest today in which the top 12 men advanced to Sunday's final. This is great news for Arthur as he continues to build his Olympic qualifying points tally and he now looks a serious prospect for London 2012 qualification. His Irish compatriot Eanna Bailey put in another spirited performance but missed out on a place in Sunday's main event, finishing 18th in qualification. Anything approaching a top 20 placing in the final would be a fantastic result for Arthur but it is encouraging enough that he has made another final. His Olympic prospects continue to get better and better. Well done to the lads.


  • #506
    Dan man
    Registered Users Posts: 3,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dan man


    Here is a link to a post-race interview with Arthur:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPDI5suGew8


  • #507
    feargale
    Registered Users Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭feargale


    I'd like to make a suggestion that might be more appropriate after London 2012, but then I don't know if this board will close with the closing ceremony, and anyway the Olympics to Ireland are like presidential elections. At the time we make all kinds of resolutions to reform things, and then forget until 6 months before next time around.
    How about setting up an olympic club in every substantial town in Ireland to promote olympic sports only? Existing clubs promoting an olympic sport might come under this umbrella or not as they choose.
    I know of one town, where some years ago a few hockey moms who had daughters playing hockey in 2 nearby schools, wanted to start a hockey club, and a blow-in guy who had played serious hockey was willing to coach, and had the guarantee of assistance from another veteran. It was hoped that a few immigrants and daughters of Indian/Pakistani personnel in the local hospital might make up the numbers. And it was hoped that it might in time engender mens' hockey in the town. It came to nought because it was the aspiration ohf a few dreamers who had nowhere to turn for support.
    So how about it ? The Olympic Club of Castlebar, Mullingar, Skibbereen etc. ?


  • #508
    Truman Burbank
    Registered Users Posts: 543 ✭✭✭Truman Burbank


    "What has been agreed in advance, and may well need execution, is the Athletics Ireland selection document whereby if more than three athletes attain the A-standard in the one event, selection will be based firstly on quality and consistency of performances 2011 and 2012; secondly, on statistical data (ranking/performance lists, etc); and thirdly, on history of performances at previous championships."

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0414/1224314731419.html?via=othersport


  • #509
    Dodge
    Registered Users Posts: 10,145 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    Bit annoying I can't get the full draw but the road to qualfication for the Irish fighters looks like this

    Barnes (49kg) needs to win 2 fights
    Joyce (60kg) needs to win 3 fights
    Hickey (64kg) needs to win 4 fights (the whole tournament)
    Nolan (69kg) needs to win 3 fights
    Ward (81kg) needs to win 4 fights to be certain
    McCarthy (91kg) needs to win 5 fights (the whole tournament)
    Sheehan (91kg+) needs to win 4 fights

    First fights are
    Barnes v Hungary
    Joyce v wales
    Hickey v Moldova
    Nolan v Poland
    Ward v Sweden
    McCarthy v Bosnia
    Sheehan v Turkey

    Starts tonight


  • #510
    Dodge
    Registered Users Posts: 10,145 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    Truman Burbank wrote: »
    "What has been agreed in advance, and may well need execution, is the Athletics Ireland selection document whereby if more than three athletes attain the A-standard in the one event, selection will be based firstly on quality and consistency of performances 2011 and 2012; secondly, on statistical data (ranking/performance lists, etc); and thirdly, on history of performances at previous championships."

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0414/1224314731419.html?via=othersport

    This is now in play as Catriona Jennings got the Marathon A standard in the marathon. First time a (fit) Irish person won't be selected for the Olympics having obained the A standard

    One of Jennings, Maria McCambridge, Linda Byrne and Ava Hutchinson won't go


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  • #511
    FitzjamesHorse
    Registered Users Posts: 59 ✭✭FitzjamesHorse


    Only three athletes can go in the Marathon but there is a potential solution which could possibly allow all four to go the Olympics. The OCI will have to make a decision which could possibly be based on "first come first served" or even the three fastest times.
    The "right" way to do it would be to select on the basis of who will perform best in the actual race. And that requires the judgement of Solomon. Someone will get left out and it could get pretty acrimonious......although it has not happened in Athletics, am I right in thinking that there was an acrimonious dispute fouror eight years ago in one of the two-man sailing classes?
    Indeed it could all get very nasty.
    People need a "Plan B" possibly thru a "B Standard Qualification" in the 10,000 metres. If one athlete was to get that standard and having already obtained "A" standard at Marathon, I would expect AAI to nominate that athlete for 10,000 metres....and Id expect the OCI to agree.


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