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Time To End Internment - Release Marian Price and Martin Corey

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  • #32
    lividduck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    Fenian Army wrote: »
    Marian Price has been in jail for nearly a year now after her appearance at an Easter commemoration last year in which she held a piece of paper which a masked person read from.

    This was the central reason cited for revoking her license despite the fact that she received a royal pardon for her acts in relation to the Old Bailey bombing. The pardon has mysteriously disappeared, the NIO can't find it - fed to the shredder no doubt.

    The charges stemming from the commemoration have been dismissed.

    Marian has been held in shocking conditions, you don't have to take my word for it;

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    Her health has now deteriorated to such an extent that she cannot make court appearances (such as to see the charges dismissed) or even appear via video link.

    In 2009 she was questioned over the Massarene barracks attack. After the Secretary of State had her jailed (over 2 years later) she was charged with providing them with a mobile phone despite no new evidence coming out in the meantime. This charge is in my opinion simply to make her internment look more legitimate, otherwise they would not have waited so long to charge her. Even so due to her royal pardon she was not out on license, thus no license to revoke.

    Perhaps the most important aspect of this whole situation is the fact that it is propaganda gold for anti GFA republicans. Her unjust incarceration is generating far more sympathy and support for their politics than any amount of commemorations. SFs message to nationalists in the north is that things are different today, the injustices of the past are gone and replaced by a shared future.

    Marian Prices internment on the word of the British Secretary of State fundamentally shakes that assertion.
    the murdering bitch NEVER recieved a "Royal Pardon" there are many who believe that her and her ilk should never ever have been released.


  • #33
    Fenian Army
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    lividduck wrote: »
    the murdering bitch NEVER recieved a "Royal Pardon" there are many who believe that her and her ilk should never ever have been released.
    Thats simply not true, she did, and by their own admission, lost it.


  • #34
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Fenian Army wrote: »
    Thats simply not true, she did, and by their own admission, lost it.
    Do you have an objective source for that?


  • #35
    round tower huntsman
    Registered Users Posts: 804 ✭✭✭round tower huntsman


    the treatment of marian,the duffys,corey,mcgeough etc..........has shown quite clearly to grassroots that internment is alive and well. and as usual the use of gaol instead of being a deterent is being used as a recruitment tool thanks to british foolishness. they will never learn.


  • #36
    lividduck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    round tower huntsman wrote: »
    the treatment of marian,the duffys,corey,mcgeough etc..........has shown quite clearly to grassroots that internment is alive and well. and as usual the use of gaol instead of being a deterent is being used as a recruitment tool thanks to british foolishness. they will never learn.
    Those scum are nothing but dirt on the sole of Irelands shoe. Anyomne who would support them deserves all that happens to them.


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  • #37
    round tower huntsman
    Registered Users Posts: 804 ✭✭✭round tower huntsman


    fair enough,your opinion. are they being interened though? honestly?


  • #38
    lividduck
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    round tower huntsman wrote: »
    fair enough,your opinion. are they being interened though? honestly?
    The bitch should never have been given early release, she is where she deserves to be.


  • #39
    round tower huntsman
    Registered Users Posts: 804 ✭✭✭round tower huntsman


    again,is she(an others) being interned ie held without trial or bail?


  • #40
    fasttalkerchat
    Registered Users Posts: 5,652 ✭✭✭fasttalkerchat


    Just heard that 3 adults from Colin Duffy's family have been arrested. If they can't get him they will go after anyone close to him!

    EDIT: Actually its on BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18128778


  • #41
    lividduck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    round tower huntsman wrote: »
    again,is she(an others) being interned ie held without trial or bail?
    Wrong! This cold blooded murdering bitch who was rightly sentenced to life in prison has had her licience revoked, thank god! Thats not internment , thats justice. Lets just hope the politician that would consider releasing the bitch has yet to be born. she makes Myra Hindly look like a saint.


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  • #42
    round tower huntsman
    Registered Users Posts: 804 ✭✭✭round tower huntsman


    fasttalkerchat wrote: »
    Just heard that 3 adults from Colin Duffy's family have been arrested. If they can't get him they will go after anyone close to him!

    EDIT: Actually its on BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18128778

    i predict they'll be held for a couple of yrs with minium evidence while the ruc build the case...................then let go. internment.


  • #43
    lividduck
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    round tower huntsman wrote: »
    i predict they'll be held for a couple of yrs with minium evidence while the ruc build the case...................then let go. internment.
    Yada yada yada , everyone who refuses to back these drug dealing murdering scum is deluded and Irelands salvation can only be achieved by disemboelling innocents by use of high explosives. More propaganda by the scum known as dissidents, the only they dissent from is basic humanity.


  • #44
    round tower huntsman
    Registered Users Posts: 804 ✭✭✭round tower huntsman


    lividduck wrote: »
    Yada yada yada , everyonene who refuses to back these drug dealing murdering scum is deluded and Irelands salvation can only be achieved by disemboelling innocents by use of high explosives. More propaganda by the scum known as dissidents, the only they dissent from is basic humanity.

    what ev! you obviously cant answer a simple question in an adult fashion....................off ya go and enjoy your pepsi and popcorn, no dan bars now!


  • #45
    lividduck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    round tower huntsman wrote: »
    what ev! you obviously cant answer a simple question in an adult fashion....................off ya go and enjoy your pepsi and popcorn, no dan bars now!
    Typical childish repost from an apologist for those who murder kids for kicks!


  • #46
    round tower huntsman
    Registered Users Posts: 804 ✭✭✭round tower huntsman


    yes or no please, is she being interned?


  • #47
    lividduck
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    round tower huntsman wrote: »
    yes or no please, is she being interned?
    NO!
    She is a lowlife murdering bitch who was wrongly relaeased on licience after being properly sentenced to life imprisonment, he licience has been rightly revoked, we can only hope that no politican is ever stupid enough to release this murdering waste of oxygen again.


  • #48
    round tower huntsman
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    eh wrong. she was released on pardon. there's no evidence to hold her,if there is show it, so there fore she's been interned............even a stoop has said as much.alban mcguiness, a well know rira apologist:rolleyes:, has said she's been interened.


  • #49
    lividduck
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    round tower huntsman wrote: »
    eh wrong. she was released on pardon. there's no evidence to hold her,if there is show it, so there fore she's been interned............even a stoop has said as much.alban mcguiness, a well know rira apologist:rolleyes:, has said she's been interened.
    EH WRONG!!!!!!!!
    She was NEVER granted a pardon...evidence of a pardon please,,,oops sorry I forgot it was granted by Santa Claus , delivered by the Tooth fairy and now it has been lost!!!


  • #50
    oscarBravo
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    round tower huntsman wrote: »
    ...she was released on pardon...
    Do you have an objective source for this?


  • #51
    IrishAm
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    lividduck wrote: »
    NO!
    She is a lowlife murdering bitch

    Who did she kill?


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  • #52
    fasttalkerchat
    Registered Users Posts: 5,652 ✭✭✭fasttalkerchat


    lividduck wrote: »
    NO!
    She is a lowlife murdering bitch who was wrongly relaeased on licience after being properly sentenced to life imprisonment, he licience has been rightly revoked, we can only hope that no politican is ever stupid enough to release this murdering waste of oxygen again.

    Catch yourself on! I'm sick of people like you coming and calling people every name under the sun when you clearly know nothing about Marian or her case.

    Almost all POWs were released and if she was a Sinn Feinner she would still be free. Take your "lowlife murdering bitch" comments elsewhere.


  • #53
    Fenian Army
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Do you have an objective source for that?

    I believe I linked some news stories earlier... they report that she received a royal pardon. This is beyond doubt, the question is over what exactly this covered, she got multiple life sentences or something like that to be served concurrently, did it cover one, and was she on license for the other charges? Can't tell because the document "vanished" :rolleyes:


  • #54
    K-9
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    lividduck will not be replying lividly for the next week. Please keep the discussion civil.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #55
    Terrontress
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    I hope the irony isn't lost on Price that she and her supporters are pointing to a 'royal pardon' to make all her woes cease. Which 'royal' issued this pardon? Prince Philip? He's been known for his strange behaviour. Could he not be asked to re-issue it? Maybe with the jubilee celebrations the queen might be in a good enough mood to issue one.

    Those who claim she was jailed for simply holding a piece of paper are deliberately trying to simplify Price's actions. Just as an IRA getaway driver would not have been jailed for driving a car. She is attempting to bring violent harm to the British people and those people are excluding her from society to prevent her bringing that harm about.

    For those who claim she is being incarcerated without any justification, what would you suggest the motivation is behind her incarceration? Point scoring? And if so, why her? The fact is she has got too big for her boots, crossed the line and is now facing the consequences.

    Finally, those who claim she is being 'interned', all prisoners are interned. It is a synonym of incarceration. I think 'internment without trial' is the expression you are thinking of. Although Price was tried.


  • #56
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Fenian Army wrote: »
    I believe I linked some news stories earlier... they report that she received a royal pardon.
    You linked to Sinn Féin websites and An Phoblacht. You also linked the SDLP websites, which explicitly refers to a revoked licence, not a pardon.
    This is beyond doubt...
    If it was beyond doubt, I wouldn't doubt it. The issuing of a royal pardon is generally a pretty big deal, and there should be contemporaneous press coverage of the fact that it happened. Can you link to any?

    Can you at least explain why HRM decided to pardon Ms Price?


  • #57
    johnnyskeleton
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    Fenian Army wrote: »
    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    I would hazard a guess and say the reason mainstream nationalism is not bringing up her case us because she blatantly broke the terms of her release and her licence has been revoked.

    She has become an embarrassment.

    "Mainstream nationalism"?

    SF have brought up her case numerous times. Even the stoops have.

    How can she have had her license revoked when she was never released on license? She was pardoned. The Brits have mysteriously lost the document, as I understand it it is the first time in a very very very long time they have lost a pardon.

    http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/22947
    http://www.derrysinnfein.ie/news/21433
    http://www.anphoblacht.com/contents/21871
    http://www.sdlp.ie/index.php/newsroom_media/newsarticle/ramsey_presses_justice_minister_to_release_marian_price/

    That said she is not happy with SF to say the least and has refused to meet with their reps.

    If she was pardoned, she could bring a habeas corpus application and be released straight away.

    However, even the SF reports you cite make it clear that she was not pardoned but released under royal perrogative of mercy, that is She was released on licence due to her ill health. However, if you think it amounts to a pardon, why not fly over to London, make a habeas application and you will be a republican hero?

    To clarify, the royal perrogative is not limited to absolute pardons but can also amount to a basis to commute or suspend a sentence. Obviously this can be done on terms.

    So, your question is wrong in that you have not recited the correct facts. Her licence has been revoked, even SF accept that.


  • #58
    Fenian Army
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    You linked to Sinn Féin websites and An Phoblacht. You also linked the SDLP websites, which explicitly refers to a revoked licence, not a pardon. If it was beyond doubt, I wouldn't doubt it. The issuing of a royal pardon is generally a pretty big deal, and there should be contemporaneous press coverage of the fact that it happened. Can you link to any?

    Can you at least explain why HRM decided to pardon Ms Price?

    She was close to death.

    She spent hundreds of days on hunger strike during which she was forced fed etc.


  • #59
    Fenian Army
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    Terrontress wrote: »
    I hope the irony isn't lost on Price that she and her supporters are pointing to a 'royal pardon' to make all her woes cease. Which 'royal' issued this pardon? Prince Philip? He's been known for his strange behaviour. Could he not be asked to re-issue it? Maybe with the jubilee celebrations the queen might be in a good enough mood to issue one.

    Those who claim she was jailed for simply holding a piece of paper are deliberately trying to simplify Price's actions. Just as an IRA getaway driver would not have been jailed for driving a car. She is attempting to bring violent harm to the British people and those people are excluding her from society to prevent her bringing that harm about.

    For those who claim she is being incarcerated without any justification, what would you suggest the motivation is behind her incarceration? Point scoring? And if so, why her? The fact is she has got too big for her boots, crossed the line and is now facing the consequences.

    Finally, those who claim she is being 'interned', all prisoners are interned. It is a synonym of incarceration. I think 'internment without trial' is the expression you are thinking of. Although Price was tried.

    Charges relating to that have been dismissed. Besides, she got bail after she was charged with that.


  • #60
    Fenian Army
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    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/weekend/2012/0218/1224311959863.html


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  • #61
    fasttalkerchat
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    She should have been released legally but Owen Patterson intervened. Now she is being held on the seemingly blanket charge relating to Massareene. No evidence linking her to this was made available and as soon as this is thrown out of court, Patterson will have her rearrested and held for something else.
    The last time something like this happened diplock judges were executed because their was no way politically or legally oppose what was happening.


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