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Bray - A kip - And I'm from bray !

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  • Moderators Posts: 9,936 ✭✭✭LEIN


    It might be online?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭foxy06


    I couldn't find it online on sunday so I had to buy the paper. Might try scanning it but may not turn out great


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,122 ✭✭✭Imhof Tank


    Dont know about the Sunday World but the Bray People last week had a front page story on 14 bullets from a MACH10 submachine gun being sprayed into a local house.

    Bray is every bit as bad as its rep. Whats the difference between that shooting incident and what goes on in Moyross and Southill etc?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,948 ✭✭✭gizmo555


    Nobody said it better than Stepaside and the late lamented Paul Ashford as far back as 1979 - nothing much has changed in the last 32 years - "catch a 45 to the last resort . . ."



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,122 ✭✭✭Imhof Tank


    gizmo555 wrote: »
    Nobody said it better than Stepaside and the late lamented Paul Ashford as far back as 1979 - nothing much has changed in the last 32 years - "catch a 45 to the last resort . . ."


    1979 was the year I started secondary school in Bray and I can tell you this -we didnt have drive by shootings back then. Plenty has changed and not in a good way.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 148 ✭✭insomniac86


    I love most of the ideas on here but what with the recession at the moment I can't see anything improving in this town for a long time. I think the Bray Town Centre and the Luas Station could of been our saving grace but unfortunately they've been scrapped. It's a real shame cause I love this town and it might not have been perfect growing up in the 90s but I think it was in better shape than it is now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭Ophiopogon


    I actually am glad the town centre was never built. I don't think Bray is big enough to have a shopping centre like that.

    They should just concentrate on the existing shops and structures IMO.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    Bray wasn't always a kip.

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    Not sure how happy I would have been living there if the Sugar Loaf was a all dominating as this artist has portrayed it. :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭Bubblefett


    Not sure how happy I would have been living there if the Sugar Loaf was a all dominating as this artist has portrayed it. :D

    Certainly does have a Mount Doom feel to it :p


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,849 ✭✭✭Cianos


    Ophiopogon wrote: »
    I actually am glad the town centre was never built. I don't think Bray is big enough to have a shopping centre like that.

    They should just concentrate on the existing shops and structures IMO.

    You could have said the same for Dundrum. Bray is not a shopping destination. People go out to Dundrum from Bray, because of the lack of choice there is in Bray. If there was a shopping centre with a number of big name stores, Penney's, H&M, M&S, Dixons etc, combined with decent parking, Bray would become a destination for many. Or at least, there'd be more of an incentive for the locals to remain in the town rather than trek out in to the city centre or Dundrum.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 148 ✭✭insomniac86


    That's exactly what I thought when I posted about being disappointed that the Town Centre wasn't being built. Dundrum isn't really a big town but it really took off as soon as the shopping centre was built. I figured it would of been the same for Bray too, and handy for alot of East Coast commuters that use the Dart. Instead of having to get the Bus or Dart in order to get the Luas to Dundrum if you don't have a car. Very expensive.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,849 ✭✭✭Cianos


    That's exactly what I thought when I posted about being disappointed that the Town Centre wasn't being built. Dundrum isn't really a big town but it really took off as soon as the shopping centre was built. I figured it would of been the same for Bray too, and handy for alot of East Coast commuters that use the Dart. Instead of having to get the Bus or Dart in order to get the Luas to Dundrum if you don't have a car. Very expensive.

    While I think its position in the town would have meant a lot of hassle for drivers to reach, it would have been a good spot to encourage locals to remain in the town to do a lot of their shopping. I'd say the amount of money Bray residents are spending in Dundrum is unreal.


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,537 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    But look at the effect Dundrum town centre is having on the original village and shops there - completely killing off the village off - sorry but the "church" of dundrum is not some amazing thing that has been all positive. And it now causes floods too - that sounds a little familiar. Bray needs improvement but the last we need is something like dundrum which would kill off the rest of our town.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    Any chance we could rename the thread to something a bit more positive? :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,849 ✭✭✭Cianos


    But look at the effect Dundrum town centre is having on the original village and shops there - completely killing off the village off - sorry but the "church" of dundrum is not some amazing thing that has been all positive. And it now causes floods too - that sounds a little familiar. Bray needs improvement but the last we need is something like dundrum which would kill off the rest of our town.

    Who's to say that the rest of Dundrum wouldn't have died off anyway? I know the old shopping centre is suffering because of the new one, but that's the nature of change...there's always going to be someone losing out, even if there's an overall positive progression. As for the flooding, that is just down to bad structural planning - no point in not implementing change because of bad structural planning elsewhere.

    As for Bray, what is needed is a reason to keep people shopping in the town. That can only be done by providing alternatives to the competition, which by and large is Dundrum. The town is dying a death, something has to be done to improve things or else it'll continue to waste away.

    By making Bray a shopping destination, you are also giving benefit to the existing shops by bring people to and keeping them in the town. I'm sure many shops, pubs, cafés etc along Dundrum main street have benefitted from much higher foot traffic to and from the Luas, most of which would never have reason to set foot in Dundrum before.

    Likewise, shops in Bray would benefit from people walking to and from the shopping centre, staying around for a couple of drinks and food, etc.


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,537 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    I don't honestly believe that dundrum town centre is an overall positive progression - it is killing off dundrum village (village - not shopping centre) - I don't believe that is a positive progression - Let's not misleadingly create some utopia out of dundrum shopping centre - Bray needs town centre positive development (Florence centre, awl) but not something like dundrum that would destroy our existing town centre - a mixture of chainstores and independent stores is best in my opinion

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 13 fleury


    Go down to the seafront most nights and see the antisocial behavior of the bar/club clientele around the bandstand area. Imagine residents there trying to get a nights sleep.
    No hope. Who is doing anything about that? Nobody.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,218 Mod ✭✭✭✭slowburner


    I don't honestly believe that dundrum town centre is an overall positive progression - it is killing off dundrum village (village - not shopping centre) - I don't believe that is a positive progression - Let's not misleadingly create some utopia out of dundrum shopping centre - Bray needs town centre positive development (Florence centre, awl) but not something like dundrum that would destroy our existing town centre - a mixture of chainstores and independent stores is best in my opinion
    Speaking as an ex-pat Dundrumian (Dundrummer?), I couldn't agree more.
    Dundrum had a unique character, not entirely unlike Bray's situation now, although the scale is different.
    The implications of 'Mall culture' are far reaching and insidious. When you lose diversity to the Mall, every retailer outside the centre suffers.
    When specialist or original retailers can't make a living, the fabric of the town centre is torn.
    It happened to Dundrum twice - first with the shopping centre, and second with the mall. Dundrum was once a country village with a strong sense of community.
    Now it is no different to any suburban mass on the fringe of a mall.
    When the mall culture gets a foothold, the town centre will become a vacuum, and it's easy to guess what sort of groups will fill it.
    Look to Arklow since the arrival of Bridgewater, to see what will happen.


    It would be much more beneficial to any town to have family businesses, independent retailers, and specialists in town centres, rather than massive, homogenous, mostly UK based retailers.
    It's impossible to see how the latter could benefit any form of community or town identity.
    Seen one mall, seen them all? Definitely.
    Seen one town, seen them all? Hope not.


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