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Piratebay to be blocked in Ireland within 30 days

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭Sulla Felix


    Mr.S wrote: »
    They don't.
    Then why bother? I mean, the ISP I can understand, it's too much hassle not to, and they know most of their users are savvy enough to get a workaround, but the music/film industry, really, what difference does this make? Is it just to justify their salaries to the bosses "look, we've done this and this and this"


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,046 ✭✭✭bealtine


    Mr.S wrote: »
    They don't.

    This is but the beginning, now it's been shown to "work" they'll go after the proxies, then the think of the children brigade will chime in, then the religious nutjobs then everybody else will be applying for blocks for sites they don't like, perhaps even the gov applying for sites they don't like as well...and it will all be done in secret like in Australia.

    Like this : http://delimiter.com.au/2013/05/15/interpol-filter-scope-creep-asic-ordering-unilateral-website-blocks/

    or this

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/asic-stuff-up-marks-the-return-of-internet-filtering-experts-say/story-e6frfro0-1226645178443#ixzz2TW3ENfLc

    Anyway it is slightly possible the EU might do something about it (I doubt it though)
    http://euobserver.com/news/120456


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,024 ✭✭✭Owryan


    Still accessible on Imagines service .

    Still thanks to all the other treads i dont have to worry too much if/when they do start to block it .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,267 ✭✭✭ Edison Shy Quarterback


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 365 ✭✭Israeli Superiority


    bealtine wrote: »
    This is but the beginning, now it's been shown to "work" they'll go after the proxies, then the think of the children brigade will chime in, then the religious nutjobs then everybody else will be applying for blocks for sites they don't like, perhaps even the gov applying for sites they don't like as well...and it will all be done in secret like in Australia.

    Like this : http://delimiter.com.au/2013/05/15/interpol-filter-scope-creep-asic-ordering-unilateral-website-blocks/

    or this

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/asic-stuff-up-marks-the-return-of-internet-filtering-experts-say/story-e6frfro0-1226645178443#ixzz2TW3ENfLc

    Anyway it is slightly possible the EU might do something about it (I doubt it though)
    http://euobserver.com/news/120456

    Do you know what I just noticed? Every Minister for Communications - that was instrumental in Internet censorship in Ireland, Britain and Australia - is a member of their country's respective Labour Party.

    This same Labour Parties that are supposed to be socialist (anti-capitalist greed) and liberal. Yet these guys are implementing an authoritarian censorship just so corporations can maximize their profits? What a bunch of hypocrites.

    Don't vote Labour. Ever.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,486 ✭✭✭Mountjoy Mugger


    Yeah. Let's all vote Fianna Fail instead.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 365 ✭✭Israeli Superiority


    Yeah. Let's all vote Fianna Fail instead.

    Did I suggest voting for Fianna Fail instead? No.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,323 ✭✭✭jay93


    Vote for none of them .All the same :):):)


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,973 ✭✭✭19543261


    Which would in turn would be effectively the same as voting any.


  • Registered Users Posts: 489 ✭✭0rt




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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,320 ✭✭✭roast


    Came back from holiday this morning and wanted to get the latest release of a linux ISO only to find TPB was blocked. It was a minor inconvenience that lasted all of ten seconds. What a pointless exercise by the High Court.


  • Registered Users Posts: 489 ✭✭0rt


    the companys are just doing what the courts told them to do... block access.. so they are doing it nice and primitively.

    the courts are not technicians or network admins.. they are ould lads with big wallets.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    I can log on to Pirate bay still. I don't use it so its not an issue for me.

    I'm on Eircom ASDL1 line.


  • Registered Users Posts: 233 ✭✭prodigal_son


    Yeah, our human rights are now being violated. RTE as a copyright holder is staying mute on the issue, they even spun it as a victory on their website and tv channel without commenting on the European court of justice ruling saying all europeans have a human right to send and receive legal information and no site hosting legal information should be blanket blocked.

    It seems the government and Irish media agencies colluded to make this happen with as little coverage as possible.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,219 ✭✭✭✭Pro. F


    Neeson wrote: »
    But if you think of it that way is it a big deal? Obviously the stuff shouldn't be there so if like YouTube they let them take stuff down a a click of a button then it will only be pirated material going. Not files which should be free.

    So is this censorship thing not being used as an excuse for piracy. Everything isn't censored on YouTube.

    Not true. Bogus DMCA take downs plague youtube.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,909 ✭✭✭Neeson


    Pro. F wrote: »
    Not true. Bogus DMCA take downs plague youtube.


    How? Ordinary people pretend to be DMCA to take things down?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭RikuoAmero


    Neeson wrote: »
    How? Ordinary people pretend to be DMCA to take things down?

    Politician using DMCA's to silence opponents, corporations using DMCA's to silence news critical of them etc. Check here for plenty of stories of DMCA abuse

    http://www.techdirt.com/search.php?q=DMCA&search=Search

    HBO is infamous for DMCA abuse. They've stupidly sent demands to Google to delist HBO.com from their search engine, as well as VLC, a free open source media player that is in no way connected to them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,909 ✭✭✭Neeson


    Why would hbo want to remove their website from google?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭RikuoAmero


    Neeson wrote: »
    Why would hbo want to remove their website from google?

    Oh boy. This is gonna be a little history lesson for you.

    The DMCA is the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of America. The part that's relevent to this discussion is the concept of "notice and takedown".
    Simply put, website operators don't want to end up in court, being sued over a piece of content on their site. In 1999, (I think it was 99) the DMCA was signed, saying that a website operator can avoid court entirely if, once being told in a DMCA notice, they take down or delete the content.
    The problem that arose are false DMCA notices, or improper ones. Youtube wants to avoid being dragged into court, but, they have no way of knowing if a DMCA notice sent to them is actually being sent by the holder of the copyright in question. I can claim that I own the copyrights to the videos you've uploaded to your Youtube channel, and unless you've taken the time to register their copyright, Youtube will say "**** it, I don't want to end up in court, so I'm going to take RikuoAmero's word as gospel truth, and block Neeson's videos. This way, only Rikuo and Neeson will face off in court, I'm safe".

    Same thing applies to Google the search engine. However, over the years, the big corporations discovered something: the Internet is a very big place with a huge amount of content. They fire off a DMCA notice for one link, only to find out that there are a hundred more links to the same content.
    So what they did was turn to automated tools. These programs automatically look for content that matches the digital fingerprint of the content in question and fire off a DMCA notice. Howevery, they are far from accurate, as I mentioned when HBO said to delist HBO.com

    The problem with automated DMCA notices is that its far too easy to use it to silence speech you don't like. If you're a politician or you're advocating one side of a hot, controversial topic, you can say you hold the copyrights to the videos or links your opposition has and have their speech silenced that way. Even though a DMCA notice is supposed to be signed by the copyright holder as being in good faith, under penalty of perjury (this means that if the DMCA notice is challenged in court and found to be false, you're guilty of lying to the court) this is actually never tested in court, so it's an empty threat. Another problem with automated tools is that they are machines, they think in binary, yes or no.
    Imagine you release a movie and I use some footage from it for a video review. Under copyright law, (at least in the US), I'm allowed do that, even if it's your video. However, the automated tool could find my review, see that I'm using your footage, and get it blocked. There's no way to program a determination for fair use, you can't code into the tool to check if its a review.


    Oh boy, that took me a while. If you're confused about anything, ask away. I've been watching the online copyright scene for a few years now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,909 ✭✭✭Neeson


    Does that mean I can go and report a load if videos on YouTube and they will be taken down no questions asked?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭RikuoAmero


    Neeson wrote: »
    Does that mean I can go and report a load if videos on YouTube and they will be taken down no questions asked?

    More than likely, yes. However, you do run the risk of being outed as being a false filer of DMCA notices and having your online reputation ruined (look up what happened between Youtube personalities Thunderf00t and VenomfangX, where VenomfangX filed notices against Thunderf00t because of intense disagreements between the two, only to end up apologizing for it all and stopping production of new videos).
    Again, I stress, don't do it. I am strongly against the DMCA and for uncensored speech, so I would be pretty pissed off if you suddenly started blocking videos simply because you could.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,219 ✭✭✭✭Pro. F


    Great work RikuoAmero. Brilliant explanation of the situation.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 4,621 Mod ✭✭✭✭Mr. G


    Owryan wrote: »
    Still accessible on Imagines service .

    Still thanks to all the other treads i dont have to worry too much if/when they do start to block it .

    As a matter of interest, is it still available for you there? Not at home so can't see for a while

    I remember Google pulling out of China, I might have said this previously I'm not sure but it was because the failed to reach an agreement and that it was "agains't their company ethos". I think as a country it's vital that the internet is a free place within reason of course (get rid of the illegal drugs etc.).

    Countries such as Estonia which have recently joined the EU use the net to show freedom from the past. I think this is important and I'm sure others will agree. It would be great it some TD's got on our side now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭jos22


    UK gone censorship crazy, EZTV and YIFY are now blocked, porn to be block at source via filter, music and movie cartels due back in court again soon with lists of dozens of more sites.

    I can see that porn filter being updated very quickly pleases the music cartel.

    http://torrentfreak.com/porn-to-be-blocked-in-the-uk-whats-new-say-pirate-bay-users-130722/


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,151 ✭✭✭rovoagho


    Pirate Party'll be next, then Opposition parties..

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came..


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,205 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    The time has finally come when the Western countries join Iran, North Korea & Russia to keep "bad stuff" from the public, all under the guise of protecting children. First it will be child porn, then porn, then inevitably other bad stuff like "hate speech", and from there we end up with stuff that politicians don't like being blocked - such as opposing opinions.

    Usually my friends will come to me (the resident geek) and ask how they get around these blocks, but you know, this time I won't tell them. Because on the one hand they'll support parties who bring in policies like this, knowing that they can get around it. Well sorry, but this time you can sit there with your sweaty finger hovering over the "please give me my porn back" button while crying, because you voted these parties into power. And when the list of those on the "porn list" inevitably leaks, don't blame me if membership is used to deny you access to certain jobs. Or sees you end up on some sort of neigbourhood register.

    The only thing I would be happy to see blocked is child porn. Everything else leads down a very slippery slope.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,207 ✭✭✭miralize


    Its a roundabout way of implementing net neutrality. Pretty soon well only get access to the 15 sites that the NSA find the most valuable


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,909 ✭✭✭Neeson


    These bans could be a good way to open up the markets again. Might be a positive side to it in the hard times.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,207 ✭✭✭miralize


    Neeson wrote: »
    These bans could be a good way to open up the markets again. Might be a positive side to it in the hard times.

    What?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,909 ✭✭✭Neeson


    miralize wrote: »
    What?

    I'm talking about them blocking the porns.


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