Today I saw a classic and took a pic thread!

mustang68 · 21-11-2005 2:08pm

Wooo!

That was me blowing out some cobwebs on the Mustang, you wouldn't want to be doing anything you shouldn't in Dublin.

MercMad · 21-11-2005 3:21pm

Hey cool !!

Nice car !!

I passed you outside Gibneys.............I was in the white Pagoda Merc with the top down !!

mustang68 · 22-11-2005 1:49pm

Oh Yea,

Thats a sweet looking car, it kept us talking for a while, very good condition.

MercMad · 22-11-2005 3:27pm

Oh Yea,

Thats a sweet looking car, it kept us talking for a while, very good condition

..............thats because you were over 10 feet away !!

Abelloid · 28-11-2005 11:33pm

Stag in Mahon -

(must get a decent camera phone :rolleyes: )

adam01 · 02-12-2005 9:41pm

Triumph Stag 1973 M2-Roscommon

LETS SEE MORE STAGS

ds20prefecture · 02-12-2005 9:52pm

Jesus - that's a minter! Is that yours Adam? If so, well done - they're not easy to keep that good!

adam01 · 03-12-2005 1:00pm

Yes this is mine. thanks for your nice comments.............adam

G Luxel · 10-12-2005 1:21am

With reference to the lotus Elan picture and what looks like a reg 70 XIE?
is that an original Irish Number?
The yellow plate doesnt make it look authentic
It would look better with silver and black plates, period plates of course

G Luxel · 10-12-2005 1:23am

Stag in Mahon -

quite a few stags in the cork area, one a yellow one and a green one too as well as one in a midleton garage last year with a J plate from 70 uk.
There used to be a white one with the hardtop in the fermoy area in the early 80s

Abelloid · 11-12-2005 5:09pm

Need to be quicker with my camera- just passed a sweet black '74 Merc 450 SL and a yellow MkI Granada, ZF reg:)

adam01 · 11-12-2005 7:36pm

franksm wrote:

Jason, was it metallic green ? There's one such car in the Clonsilla area.

(to digress: have also seen a *huge* 70's American sedan out this direction. Don't know what it is - dark green in colour. At the same house there's usually a big, blue Ford pickup - American again. Amazing stuff)

you have succeeded electrophotomicrographically ' are you changing that your self?? nice one~thats going to be a long session.Learning the hard way makes the lessons more valuable. Keep the good work up.
PS: i might be passing your way nextweek, as taking the Stag to your man. as to change the hub at the rear. hope to meet up with ya.....ads

junkyard · 11-12-2005 7:54pm

Both of those are living in Cobh Justin, the Merc is an American spec. one and I passed it earlier coming into Cobh and the yellow Ford Consul lives in Ballymore and is used most day's.

Abelloid · 11-12-2005 8:24pm

Ford Consul

Didn't get a good look it just drove past me while I was looking down at your DS:)

BigCon · 14-12-2005 7:32pm

Ok, so it wasn't today, it was last April in the States.
An early 80's Corvette pulled up beside me and I video'ed it with my phone.
You can hear the deep rumble of the engine as it takes off (and me trying to catch up with it):D

10MB

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Grimlock · 15-12-2005 11:18am

There's a 68 Dodge Charger in Donnybrook/Ballbridge area.
It's black, (or very dark green).

Was cycling by it and had to go back to pick my jaw off the ground.
Never thought to take a picture.

And speaking of chargers, I think that general lee pictured earlier was part of the Dukes Of Hazzard Promotion if I'm not mistaken.

Edited due to lysdexia

ds20prefecture · 15-12-2005 2:09pm

Yesterday evening, on the way home, a green Triumph 2600 estate and a late 70s/early 80s with what appeared to be hydraulic suspension - was this the same system as Citroëns? Both were lovely. Pics this evening.

MercMad · 15-12-2005 2:41pm

There's a 68 Dodge Charger in Donnybrook/Ballbridge area.
It's black, (or very dark green).

...........believe it or not there is at least 3 of them in Dublin, a black R/T, a very dark green 440 and another which I've heard about but not seen !

gs39t · 15-12-2005 3:35pm

...........believe it or not there is at least 3 of them in Dublin, a black R/T, a very dark green 440 and another which I've heard about but not seen !

Well i know of 4

ds20prefecture · 16-12-2005 12:01am

ds20prefecture wrote:

Yesterday evening, on the way home, a green Triumph 2600 estate and a late 70s/early 80s with what appeared to be hydraulic suspension - was this the same system as Citroëns? Both were lovely. Pics this evening.

Sorry - I meant a 70s/80s Mercedes with what appeared to be hydraulic suspension. Sorry about the quality of the pics - the car had an Irish reg. The pics of the Triumph didn't come out at all. Crappy camera phone :mad:

junkyard · 16-12-2005 1:09am

It looks like a 300SEL, some of them had air suspension. The 6.3 litre one was great fun, it looked very civilized but it was a rocket to go. It was definitely one of the ones I should kept. I think I have photos somewhere but it was pre-digital camera.

PaulK_CCI · 16-12-2005 1:25am

ds20prefecture wrote:

Sorry - I meant a 70s/80s Mercedes with what appeared to be hydraulic suspension. Sorry about the quality of the pics - the car had an Irish reg. The pics of the Triumph didn't come out at all. Crappy camera phone :mad:

Funny, because when I read your post about the Triumph with hydraulic suspension, I couldn't quite fathom what you were on about, but the Mercedes was the first car that sprung to my mind, and then you shot these hazy pics of a Merc Saloon.

Yes, the Mercedes 300SE(L) featured AIR suspension as opposed to Hydraulic suspension. They did share some components with the Citroen DS, I'm not mechanic enough to know exactly what, but most noticeably the actual unit under the dashboard with the levers to raise and lower the car is exactly identical to the one in a DS. The air suspension on the 300SE(L) was first introduced in the 300SE Fintail in 1961, and then followed through in the enormous 600 Limousine and the "stacked headlight" 300SE(L) in 1965. It was superbly comfortable, but the older the cars got, it became hopelessly unreliable because of the 'volatile' nature of AIR... it kept springing leaks and valves kept failing, so now you still see many of these 300SE(L)'s , down on their suspension, feeling sorry for themselves. Generally they should stay up for at least a week or two, but I have seen some go down already after 2 to 3 hours... Not a big deal, and perfectly fine to live with, but it does mean you will need to run the car for a minute or two, to get air back into the system, before you can set off...
After the troubles with AIR, Mercedes did cop on, and introduced Hydraulic suspension, just like the Citroen DS, in their new flagship, the 450SEL 6.9 (W116 Series) in 1975. This was a major improvement over the constantly failing air suspension, but it was also very expensive and they only had it on the 450SEL 6.9 and also replaced it in their still going 600 series.

So the reason why you thought the Merc had hydraulic suspension was probably because you saw one "down on its knees". Now DS's generally sink down, because they are supposed to, but the 300SE's shouldn't come down at all, so the ones that do, have a leaky system !

ds20prefecture · 16-12-2005 9:38am

Cool - thanks for the info. I know Rolls Royce licensed the hydropneumatic suspension from Citroën in the 60s and I had heard a rumour that Mercedes had too. This clears it up.

PaulK_CCI · 16-12-2005 9:48am

ds20prefecture wrote:

Cool - thanks for the info. I know Rolls Royce licensed the hydropneumatic suspension from Citroën in the 60s and I had heard a rumour that Mercedes had too. This clears it up.

by the way, is there a difference between 'hydraulic' en 'hydropneumatic'?

oh, and was the shot of the Merc 300 taken in Upr George's street in Dun Laoghaire by any chance? It looks like it from the surrounding buildings, and I can remember even from years back, that there was a 300SEL sitting there regularly, and mostly quite down on it's suspension.

MercMad · 16-12-2005 9:53am

Good info guys !

The hyrdaulic suspension is purely a fluid based system whereaas the hydropneumatic system, as in a W116 used both air and fluid, obviously kept seperate !

ds20prefecture · 16-12-2005 11:58am

MercMad wrote:

The hyrdaulic suspension is purely a fluid based system whereaas the hydropneumatic system, as in a W116 used both air and fluid, obviously kept seperate !

Now I'm confused. The hydropneumatic system is a Citroën patent.
Air suspension is just compressed air "bags" that complements traditional springing.
I cannot imagine what an hydraulic (fluid only) suspension would be like. Very hard, would be my guess, as the fluid is not compressible.

Was the Citroën hydropneumatic system used in Mercedes cars? The timing works, and I see lots of google pages of mercs with "hydropneumatic" suspension.

MercMad · 16-12-2005 12:07pm

I reckon the Citroen stuff may have been used under licence or something. I do know that there is no similarity between the air system and the hydropnuematic one, although in the Benz's the system used nitrogen gas !

Is that used in the Citroen cars ?

Maybe the word hydraulic is aterm that has been applied incorrectly because as you state the fluid cannot be compressed !

Dont know enough about either systems to state facts !

ds20prefecture · 16-12-2005 12:50pm

Yep Nitrogen is used in the spheres on a Citroën.

@PaulK_CCI - yep that's Dun Laoghaire. The car was on an old Irish reg, gold in colour. Looked to be in very good condition.

PaulK_CCI · 16-12-2005 1:59pm

ds20prefecture wrote:

@PaulK_CCI - yep that's Dun Laoghaire. The car was on an old Irish reg, gold in colour. Looked to be in very good condition.

yep, that's the one alright then. It must be owned by one of the residents there or a shop owner, as I have seen it loads of times over the past 5-6 years. The car is in reasonable condition unless the owner has done some work, but the air suspension is definitely faultly, but the owner, as most of them would do, just lives with it!

I would say then that with regards to the Citroen DS and other cars with a 'hydropneumatic' system, the term "hydraulic" is used incorrectly!!! So if I understand you guys correctly, the term 'hydraulic' just refers to one intricate part of the entire suspension system: The non-compressable hydraulic fluid system that is used to regulate the pneumatic (air/gas) system, as you say MercMad, completely separated from each other, but the one regulating the other.

DS I think you are confused because Mercedes used TWO types of suspension, the old AIRsuspension on the W109 series of the 300SE's that you made a picture of, and the later, much improved "HYDROPNEUMATIC" system used in the 450SEL 6.9 .

B.t.w I thought one of the members of the Blessington club has a green 450SEL 6.9 ?? I used to see it out on the shows.

Grimlock · 16-12-2005 2:17pm

MercMad wrote:

...........believe it or not there is at least 3 of them in Dublin, a black R/T, a very dark green 440 and another which I've heard about but not seen !

:eek: Well I only want 1 I won't be greedy, the black RT willdo nicely.

I'm guessing it was the 440 I saw, wow.

Me want, me want!

Today I saw a classic and took a pic thread!

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