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Making Porn in Ireland

  • 10-03-2006 12:34pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 3


    Hello everyone,

    I'm new to this board and i've been directed here by some friends of mine.

    I'm not Irish nor english, and that's why i'm here to ask you something...

    Now after this little introduction, i want to make a second one about the topic itself.

    I really dont kno where to ask this question and of course you have the right to flame me for it....[edit: of course, you do not have such a right - hullaballoo] ;)

    Ok the question is:

    Since it is possible to sell adult content movies and magazines in ireland, is it possible to actually produce such materials here?

    I know it sounds strange and all and I know that some of those who'll read the post will think this is horrible... but what can I say... I prefer to post something here rather than go to the tourist information center... if ya know what I mean...

    well any comments welcome and thanks for your time :)

    cheers


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 769 ✭✭✭Freelancer


    Oh look the 14:55 banhammer is running a lil late.......


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,685 ✭✭✭✭BlitzKrieg


    ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....


    i have no idea what to do with this...

    Can't tell if its someone being a muppet, or a genuine enquiry...

    And even if it is a genuine enquiry its a grey area.


    *EDIT*


    Right there's a legal discussion forum (first i ever heard of it) so i'm going to boot this thread over there (and unlock it of course) let them deal with your enquiry as its less likely to be flamed and muppetised over there.


  • Administrators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,703 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭hullaballoo


    The very first sign of muppetry will warrant a ban. I'm going to change the title of this to generate some interest, and edit the OP for grammar and spelling to make it easier to understand.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3 rastacre


    I'm going to change the title of this to generate some interest, and edit the OP for grammar and spelling to make it easier to understand.


    Thanks man.... :)

    very appreciated (i'll keep it short to avoid other mistakes...)

    and, hey it's just a question ok... i dont need moral advice or anything like that.
    I'm just courious about it.

    cheers


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,216 ✭✭✭✭monkeyfudge


    There are at least 2 adult DVDs that were filmed in Ireland that have been discussed several times on boards.ie. That would be the F*cked in Ireland series produced by a George Kingsbury Productions. These were filmed in a cottage in Donegal

    But I'm not sure how legal their situation is.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,084 ✭✭✭dubtom


    There are at least 2 adult DVDs that were filmed in Ireland that have been discussed several times on boards.ie. That would be the F*cked in Ireland series produced by a George Kingsbury Productions. These were filmed in a cottage in Donegal

    But I'm not sure how legal their situation is.
    Seen one of them, cringingly bad, chpper girls I think it was called (because one of the 'stars' apparently worked in a chipper in Tallaght).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 769 ✭✭✭Freelancer


    I cannot imagine the making of pornography is legal in ireland. I don't know if you'll be prosceuted.

    Please don't do it btw I'm not looking forward to the Sun's headline;

    "Foreigner corrupting Irish Girls in filth porno shocker"
    Full story pages 3-4, pictures pages 5,6,7, 11-15,23, plus a massive pull out section!!!!!!!!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,010 ✭✭✭besty


    I'm fairly sure this would be illegal under the "affront to the public conscience" provision.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,684 ✭✭✭david


    I doubt this would be illegal, provided the people were consenting and overage.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3 rastacre


    I doubt this would be illegal, provided the people were consenting and overage.


    That's what i think. I mean it's not prostitution.

    Would anyone know where to actually look for some info?

    Can a contract or an agreement be made in order to, let's say, regulate the whole thing?

    Thanks for the comments.... and I hope to come acros "chipper girls" someday.... horrible idea tho.... :)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,010 ✭✭✭besty


    rastacre wrote:
    That's what i think. I mean it's not prostitution.

    Would anyone know where to actually look for some info?

    Can a contract or an agreement be made in order to, let's say, regulate the whole thing?

    Thanks for the comments.... and I hope to come acros "chipper girls" someday.... horrible idea tho.... :)
    Not if the courts deemed it to be illegal as an affront to the public conscience (I can't remember the case but it was English and regarded a group of men conducting in S&M activity that was deemed to be illegal by the courts even though they were consenting adults.)

    If what you proposed was true, you could effectively contract out of illegal activities.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,110 ✭✭✭Thirdfox


    R v. Brown R v. Brown :D... homosexual S&M (as my lecturer put it) "not with your usual whips and chains" :eek:

    but some academics argued it was just because the judges were homophobic... remember the judgement was upheld 5 to 4... it could easily go the other way here.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭Ronan Raver77


    dubtom wrote:
    Seen one of them, cringingly bad, chpper girls I think it was called (because one of the 'stars' apparently worked in a chipper in Tallaght).
    I Knew i saw that girl loadsa times preumed it was in a lapdancing plade i dj'd in.If only id known she was mad for it:) :)
    Na wouldnt of


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,357 ✭✭✭Eru


    I only ever encountered one and it was illegal however I was not involved directly in the case so dont know what law it broke.

    I would imagine it could fall under prostitution and similar offences (you are paying a woman to have sex) or possible more in the lines of a brothel (you are selling a woman as a sexual tool).

    More than likely however I doubt you would be able to obtain a license to produce or distribute and therefore it would be illegal.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,028 ✭✭✭ishmael whale


    I would imagine it could fall under prostitution and similar offences (you are paying a woman to have sex) or possible more in the lines of a brothel (you are selling a woman as a sexual tool).
    Is the offence simply paying a woman to have sex? I mean, unless the film maker is also appearing in the film, presumably he's paying others to be filmed having sex.

    Breaking it down into its elements, presumably filming a sex act is not an offence in itself. If someone then takes that film and sells or rents it, is that an offence in itself?


  • Registered Users Posts: 78,218 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Paying of sex is not illegal if it is done in private.* The main tools against prostitution are charges of brothel-keeping and profitting off immoral activiities (pimping).
    Breaking it down into its elements, presumably filming a sex act is not an offence in itself.
    Probably not, but that might be for a jury to decide. I suspect a jury would take a much more enlightened view of "home" production than commercial production.
    If someone then takes that film and sells or rents it, is that an offence in itself?
    If the film has been approved by IFCO, there shouldn't be a problem.

    I suspect the core of the matter is down to the process of production and getting it to IFCO.

    * Note: there are differing meanings to private (a) not more than 2 people are present (b) not accesible to the public.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,357 ✭✭✭Eru


    Victor wrote:
    Paying of sex is not illegal if it is done in private.* The main tools against prostitution are charges of brothel-keeping and profitting off immoral activiities (pimping).
    Correct, but there is presumable at least 3 people present.
    Victor wrote:
    Probably not, but that might be for a jury to decide. I suspect a jury would take a much more enlightened view of "home" production than commercial production.
    Home wouldnt presumable make the rental market unless its Paris, Pam, Tyra, oh OK a lot of people.... :p


  • Registered Users Posts: 78,218 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Correct, but there is presumable at least 3 people present.
    I'm not sure what the trends are in the porn business, but its quite possible to have a camera (or more) running away while one or more people do "the business".
    Home wouldnt presumable make the rental market unless its Paris, Pam, Tyra, oh OK a lot of people.... :p
    One never knows ...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭Mr Burns


    What is the position if one orders a hardcore porn DVD by mail order via the internet? Would they be prosecuted?


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭The_Minister


    I read an article saying that Irish porn was known as leproporn. I think we started this recently and i've heard of no arrests yet so.....


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,010 ✭✭✭besty


    I'm sure there are a few lapdancing club-esque busts in the pipeline!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,357 ✭✭✭Eru


    Mr Burns wrote:
    What is the position if one orders a hardcore porn DVD by mail order via the internet? Would they be prosecuted?

    Highly unlikely but customs would seize the item if they discovered it (which is at best 50/50).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 72 ✭✭EducatedGuess


    As far as I am aware in Ireland, it not against the law to produce a pornographic movie, once the 'actors' are licensed [having their card]. The ruling in R v Brown has been adopted here i.e. It is not against the law to produce a hetrosexual porn but is against the law to produce a homosexual [male] porn. The law as it stands in Ireland is that it is against the law for more than two consenting adult males to patricipate in a sex act. Therefore by the presence of a camera man etc makes it illegal. But you can film as many lesbians or hetrosexuals as you want.


  • Administrators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,703 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭hullaballoo


    tallaghtdave, this forum is for legal discussion, not rampant perversion. Go to AH.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 449 ✭✭tallaghtdave


    lol. sorry mate.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭Mr Burns


    As far as I am aware in Ireland, it not against the law to produce a pornographic movie, once the 'actors' are licensed [having their card]. The ruling in R v Brown has been adopted here i.e. It is not against the law to produce a hetrosexual porn but is against the law to produce a homosexual [male] porn. The law as it stands in Ireland is that it is against the law for more than two consenting adult males to patricipate in a sex act. Therefore by the presence of a camera man etc makes it illegal. But you can film as many lesbians or hetrosexuals as you want.
    It would follow that you could not market said movie until it was passed by the IFCO? The chances of him allowing it would be slim i would think.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,110 ✭✭✭Thirdfox


    Why assume the cameraperson is a man??? I know plenty of camerawomen :D:D;) - plead that in court!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,357 ✭✭✭Eru


    The law as it stands in Ireland is that it is against the law for more than two consenting adult males to patricipate in a sex act.

    According to CRIMINAL LAW (SEXUAL OFFENCES) ACT, 1993 Section 2.—Subject to sections 3 and 5 of this Act, any rule of law by virtue of which buggery between persons is an offence is hereby abolished.

    I cant find any sections in law that mentions more than 2 being illegal.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 72 ✭✭EducatedGuess


    Camera Man [etc] or camera persons. Sorry about that. Regarding the Criminal Law [Sexual Offences] Act, you are not going to find it, i said following the ruling in R v. Brown, thats precedence not legislation. I am afraid if your looking for legislation you won't find it. I have looked too. But if you read the abitor dictum or [dicta] in above case the rulings on similar cases thereafter, they seem in practice to follow it. Although as mentioned above by someone else it was only 5 to 4 ruling. I am sure just one more gay judge would have helped.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,357 ✭✭✭Eru


    Camera Man [etc] or camera persons. Sorry about that. Regarding the Criminal Law [Sexual Offences] Act, you are not going to find it, i said following the ruling in R v. Brown, thats precedence not legislation. I am afraid if your looking for legislation you won't find it. I have looked too. But if you read the abitor dictum or [dicta] in above case the rulings on similar cases thereafter, they seem in practice to follow it. Although as mentioned above by someone else it was only 5 to 4 ruling. I am sure just one more gay judge would have helped.

    I can only find reference to R V Brown 1993 under assault during a sporting game and the ruling reflected that assault can be commited even when playing a physical sport. Before that was 1977, both UK cases. Which one are you refering to?


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