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Oh I'm not saying it's bad, I'm just saying that while the Amazon is a very good PSU, when it comes to choosing a part for a rig coming in at around a grand, I'd be a lot more confident about choosing a good Corsair or Seasonic instead. I think that's what Limericks is debating too, these parts are all "very good" (with the exception of the case and the lack of sound card) but I don't think they're classed as "high end" even if they get the job done in terms of a gaming rig.ShadowHearth wrote: »we put 550w psu with 7970 builds. its amazon quality psu, not a cheap 20 quid 1k psu
. its expencive psu m8. trust me, i know about PSU m8, and i know that W means **** all. that particular PSU is spot on.0 -
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Sorry, but advocating the stealing of windows is clearly immature.
Ring Microsoft, tell them you are chaning the hardware in your PC and want to be able to activate your current copy of windows on it. Get windows for free and don't break any laws. Of course you need to own windows already but most people do.
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I think the answer lies somewhere in between though. I'm certainly not saying an Extreme Edition CPU is required to be high end, but I'd still regard a certain standard of componet in such a machine. As I've said the case and lack of soundcard are such issues, dito for the screen. The PSU is debatable but I've been stung in the past before so I'd always err on the side of caution and go with the brands I've highlighted. Either way, more examples such as these at least dispell that delightful myth that you need to spend a grand on a rig to match console graphics.ShadowHearth wrote: »well, the argument could be different then: what we call a high end pc m8.
i call a machine that can let me play any game max out - a high end gaming pc.
i guess he is calling a machine which has all the newest stuff - a high end PC ( i dont know where gaming part comes in here )
the problem i see: you are not bringing a bazooka or barret m82 to hunt a rabit, as its too expencive and overkill, the rifle, which will be cheaper and will do it properly is better option.
I'm confused, are you saying MS will give you a free copy of a newer version of Windows?Retr0gamer wrote: »Ring Microsoft, tell them you are chaning the hardware in your PC and want to be able to activate your current copy of windows on it. Get windows for free and don't break any laws. Of course you need to own windows already but most people do.0 -
I think the answer lies somewhere in between though. I'm certainly not saying an Extreme Edition CPU is required to be high end, but I'd still regard a certain standard of componet in such a machine. As I've said the case and lack of soundcard are such issues, dito for the screen. The PSU is debatable but I've been stung in the past before so I'd always err on the side of caution and go with the brands I've highlighted. Either way, more examples such as these at least dispell that delightful myth that you need to spend a grand on a rig to match console graphics.
SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! silence! or you will be get them out of the cave!! you know... them....
well onboard sound became better m8. i have xfi sound blaster in old pc and on new pc i got integrated. honestly... i dont hear any difference between them. i know some people who spend 200eu on sound card, but for them sound is more important, then it is for me. to be honest we havent included any sound cards to any builds lately. on board is doing a great job!
i promise you, that psu is solid m8
case - yes, it would not be on the expencive side, but it does everything that expencive one does. you can add few fans for few quid from ebay. i use corsair 500R myself which is great case, but i will admit, case wont be my strongest part of knowladge.
i puted that in 3 minutes. lads could put a way better system with same budget. so its not perfect machine and has a lot of room for improvement. 0 -
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Okay I agree that some technology is moving faster than it needs too but sometimes that leads to the last version of it being cheaper even though it has not been fully used up.
Haha, one of my first real pc's was a dell xps which cost 1400 pounds at the time. it was a pentium 3 with 256mb ram. Now that's painful to look back on!
again I reiterate, you can build a pc quite cheaply and have it run all the latest software and all the latest games. But if you truly want to be future proofed then spend some more and get the latest components, then you won't have to worry about your pc for a long time.
I agree that some people thing that pc gaming is more expensive then it should be, but most of those same people are console junkies and don't understand that the PC can do so much more then simply gaming and will usually outlast a generation of consoles and will outlive it as far as hardware failures go. They also probably don't realise that it is cheaper to get games for the pc then it is for consoles.
I am planning my next PC build. It will be ivy bridge, it will be kepler based, it will be multiple gpu and it will be awsome. Then I don't have to worry for a LONG time about upgrades.
and i will welcome you in " building computer " forum on boards.ie 0 -
Haha, one of my first real pc's was a dell xps which cost 1400 pounds at the time. it was a pentium 3 with 256mb ram. Now that's painful to look back on!
Ahh the old Dell XPS. I had a similarly priced pc as my first pc, and absolutely loved it. Was the same spec, and it was like a bloody super computer to me. I got the it delivered and was supposed to wait for someone to come home to unbox it, but i couldnt wait. I remember sitting up till 5am that night playing Birth of the Federation (not in any way system intensive) until my mother came in and told me to go to bed. Good times.
Good times
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My first PC was my P100 back in christmas 1995, 16MB or RAM and a 1MB piece of **** graphics card. Had great fun with it but the hardware was obsolete fast, although it got a bit of a kick in the ass when I got a Power VR card for it but only for a short time. Only problem was I was stuck with that until the summer of 2001 when I got a 1GHz machine, now that was quite a jump. Lucky I had some friends that were big into PCs and had a small lan in the house so I got enough PC gaming in before 2001
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Ahh the old Dell XPS. I had a similarly priced pc as my first pc, and absolutely loved it. Was the same spec, and it was like a bloody super computer to me. I got the it delivered and was supposed to wait for someone to come home to unbox it, but i couldnt wait. I remember sitting up till 5am that night playing Birth of the Federation (not in any way system intensive) until my mother came in and told me to go to bed. Good times.
Good times
Anyone got a patch to let Birth of the Federation run on windows 7?
Christ, I build my PC and I want to play Birth on it:rolleyes:0 -
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Eyefinity, 3d, tesselation, massive AA. the list goes on.
I also wholeheartedly disagree with your statement that games are better for not being specifically tuned for pc.
Well, I'm a way I agree with him. Pc gaming is not always about graphics.
Remember quake 3? ID,we're so proud of that engine: look how beautifull it is! Lightning! Textures! Models! It's pure orgasm!!!
Quake 3 gamers: lower textures, turn of shadowing and lightning, replace weapon models with icons, remove weapon model on screen. Play like a boss!))
Starcraft 2: beautifull looking rts!
Gamers: turn graphics down so you have it more clear and less distraction
We are weird bunch!
Eyefinity sounds good on paper, but I would just take 1 bigger monitor then 3 small monitors. Though 3 monitor setups are pure sex for driving sims!! Sometimes this is is matter of taste, not a must. I would go for eyefinity only if I can play and not feel like being prison cell bars
AA is introduced only t smoother the edges. With such high resolution AA is less and less important as there is enough pixels to smother edges already. To be honest I am not fan of AA in the pest place. It makes it blurry, I prefer more crisp view, but once again, it's a matter of taste.
This only proves same thing: pc is such versatile, that it has no limits and you ca do some really awesome crazy setups, but on the other hand just to be able to play pc games the normal way is not that expencive!0 -
Oh aye, it's certainly better than it used to be and in fairness, to get the benefit out of a good card you need good speakers or good headphones but get them and the difference is as clear as integrated graphics versus a dedicated card.ShadowHearth wrote: »well onboard sound became better m8. i have xfi sound blaster in old pc and on new pc i got integrated. honestly... i dont hear any difference between them. i know some people who spend 200eu on sound card, but for them sound is more important, then it is for me. to be honest we havent included any sound cards to any builds lately. on board is doing a great job!
Again cases are one of those areas that when you look into them, you can see the massive difference a well designed case can make. Cleaner cable management, well positioned and efficent fans (although they're generally the reserve of third party fans) and air flow may not be high on many people's list of priorities but when you start putting high powered parts in, you can see the benefits.ShadowHearth wrote: »case - yes, it would not be on the expencive side, but it does everything that expencive one does. you can add few fans for few quid from ebay. i use corsair 500R myself which is great case, but i will admit, case wont be my strongest part of knowladge.0 -
Oh aye, it's certainly better than it used to be and in fairness, to get the benefit out of a good card you need good speakers or good headphones but get them and the difference is as clear as integrated graphics versus a dedicated card.
Again cases are one of those areas that when you look into them, you can see the massive difference a well designed case can make. Cleaner cable management, well positioned and efficent fans (although they're generally the reserve of third party fans) and air flow may not be high on many people's list of priorities but when you start putting high powered parts in, you can see the benefits.
I know lads always offer some case which is cheap and cheerfull. I just don't remember the name! I know few powerfull pcs on cardboard box, so it's not so vital.
It's always better to get better case, but it is not so vital. There are some really good cheap and cheerfull cases, which will do everything what big boys do, then ofc you get pile of shot cases, which will suck in hot hair instead of taking it out!
Cable managment? Oh yeah... That thing.. I do use it!
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I spent 70 euro this week to turn a crappy dell I found into a working gaming PC. 50 euro graphics card, 20 euro CPU and update the bios. PC sails through Battlefield 3 now. Happy days as my friend was broke so he took the PC off me 0
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