Motorway gantry signs as they should be

mike65 · 23-08-2005 5:42pm #1

Note that the lower orders have to squeeze into one lane!

Mike.

Turner · 23-08-2005 6:20pm

Brilliant

murphaph · 23-08-2005 8:25pm

Expect the next series of randomly selected gantry signage the NRA erects to look like that. Seriously, anything's possible with them

drdre · 23-08-2005 10:45pm

yeah thats actually funny:D

unkel · 24-08-2005 12:01pm

Lol :d

Seth Brundle · 24-08-2005 12:08pm

LOL - pity the best cars have to squeeze between the mercs and the riff raff cars!

unkel · 24-08-2005 12:32pm

kbannon wrote:

LOL - pity the best cars have to squeeze between the mercs and the riff raff cars!

Ah but that picture was taken near Stuttgart where the 130km/h limit applies. In the rest of Germany on most Autobahns where no limits apply, the signs are as they should be

Our man in Havana · 25-08-2005 12:25am

unkel wrote:

Ah but that picture was taken near Stuttgart where the 130km/h limit applies. In the rest of Germany on most Autobahns where no limits apply, the signs are as they should be

But don't forget that if you choose to exceed 130 km/h you insurance is void and if you cause an accident then god help you.

Alun · 25-08-2005 10:32am

Bond-007 wrote:

But don't forget that if you choose to exceed 130 km/h you insurance is void and if you cause an accident then god help you.

Not quite. As far as I can remember, it's a sliding scale, with an increasing amount of blame being automatically apportioned to you depending on how much you are estimated at being over the "Richtgeschwindigkeit" of 130 km/h, regardless of any other evidence of blame on your part.

unkel · 25-08-2005 1:30pm

Bond-007 wrote:

But don't forget that if you choose to exceed 130 km/h you insurance is void and if you cause an accident then god help you.

Dunno where you got that from, but that's a load of porkies

Alun wrote:

As far as I can remember, it's a sliding scale, with an increasing amount of blame being automatically apportioned to you depending on how much you are estimated at being over the "Richtgeschwindigkeit" of 130 km/h, regardless of any other evidence of blame on your part.

Almost. The most typical high speed accident on the Autobahn would be a high speed car in the left lane hitting a slower car that has just moved into its path from the middle lane (or right lane in case of a 2 lane Autobahn). The slower car is always to blame when the faster car is at or below the "Richtgeschwindigkeit"

If the fast car is doing over the "Richtgeschwindigkeit" of 130 km/h, it will have to be established if the accident would also have taken place with similar damage had the fast car only been at the "Richtgeschwindigkeit". If that's the case, your insurance will not have to pay anything.

Obviously a sliding scale is what follows from this as it is unlikely that driving at 130 km/h would have prevented the accident for someone driving at 140km/h that was in the accident. 300 km/h is a different ballgame though

Wird ein Kraftfahrer, der die Richtgeschwindigkeit von 130 km/h überschritten hat, in einen Unfall verwickelt, so kann er sich, wenn er auf Ersatz des Unfallschadens in Anspruch genommen wird, nicht auf die Unabwendbarkeit des Unfalls i.S. von § 7 Abs. 2 StVG berufen, es sei denn, er weist nach, daß es auch bei einer Geschwindigkeit von 130 km/h zu dem Unfall mit vergleichbar schweren Folgen gekommen wäre.

Borzoi · 25-08-2005 2:00pm

unkel wrote:

Wird ein Kraftfahrer, der die Richtgeschwindigkeit von 130 km/h überschritten hat, in einen Unfall verwickelt, so kann er sich, wenn er auf Ersatz des Unfallschadens in Anspruch genommen wird, nicht auf die Unabwendbarkeit des Unfalls i.S. von § 7 Abs. 2 StVG berufen, es sei denn, er weist nach, daß es auch bei einer Geschwindigkeit von 130 km/h zu dem Unfall mit vergleichbar schweren Folgen gekommen wäre.

For the rest of us, literally translating as:
Becomes if a motorist, who exceeded the recommended speed of 130 km/h, into an accident entangles, then it can itself, if it is taken up on substitution of accident damage, not on the inevitability of the accident i.S. of § 7 Abs. 2 StVG destined, is, he prove that it would have come also at a speed of 130 km/h to the accident with comparably heavy consequences

Seth Brundle · 25-08-2005 8:01pm

Borzoi wrote:

For the rest of us, literally translating as:
Becomes if a motorist, who exceeded the recommended speed of 130 km/h, into an accident entangles, then it can itself, if it is taken up on substitution of accident damage, not on the inevitability of the accident i.S. of § 7 Abs. 2 StVG destined, is, he prove that it would have come also at a speed of 130 km/h to the accident with comparably heavy consequences

Can you translate that into English Borzoi?

Squirrel · 25-08-2005 10:31pm

unkel wrote:

If the fast car is doing over the "Richtgeschwindigkeit" of 130 km/h, it will have to be established if the accident would also have taken place with similar damage had the fast car only been at the "Richtgeschwindigkeit". If that's the case, your insurance will not have to pay anything.

I had just assumed it meant this

Borzoi · 26-08-2005 9:04am

kbannon wrote:

Can you translate that into English Borzoi?

German lawyer speak into plain English. Can't be done mate

KTRIC · 26-08-2005 9:15am

unkel wrote:

Ah but that picture was taken near Stuttgart where the 130km/h limit applies. In the rest of Germany on most Autobahns where no limits apply, the signs are as they should be

How could you possibly tell where that picture was taken ??. Believe it or not there are other roads in Germany with a 130km/h speed restriction.

Alun · 26-08-2005 9:26am

K-TRIC wrote:

How could you possibly tell where that picture was taken ??. Believe it or not there are other roads in Germany with a 130km/h speed restriction.

If it's a real photo, and if the road numbers are accurate it's nowhere near Stuttgart. The A5 and the A3 cross somewhere south west of Frankfurt at the Frankfurter Kreuz. I've driven through there more times than I care to mention. The A8 goes past Stuttgart.

EDIT: Looking at it again, it's almost certainly the Frankfurter Kreuz. The B43 (little yellow square on one of the gantries) is a turn off (to Kelsterbach among others) at that junction. It's also the exit for the airport IIRC.

unkel · 26-08-2005 9:58am

Jaysus lads, do I have to spit it out? First their was the

then my reference to Stuttgart (DaimlerChrysler HQ) was obviously based on the favourable treatment of Mercedes-Benz drivers

mackerski · 27-08-2005 1:06pm

Wird ein Kraftfahrer, der die Richtgeschwindigkeit von 130 km/h überschritten hat, in einen Unfall verwickelt, so kann er sich, wenn er auf Ersatz des Unfallschadens in Anspruch genommen wird, nicht auf die Unabwendbarkeit des Unfalls i.S. von § 7 Abs. 2 StVG berufen, es sei denn, er weist nach, daß es auch bei einer Geschwindigkeit von 130 km/h zu dem Unfall mit vergleichbar schweren Folgen gekommen wäre.

For the utterly curious:

In the event that a driver that has exceeded the recommeneded maxiumum speed of 130km/h becomes involved in an accident, he may not, having been called upon to pay damages, reference the inevitibility of the accident in accordance with [named sections of StVG] unless he proves that the accident would have also occurred at a speed of 130km/h and with comparably severe damage.

Dermot

Motorway gantry signs as they should be

Comments