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Gallagher : Good businessman or snout seeking trough

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  • #62
    RichardAnd
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    Snout seeking trough, That's not the first such reference I've seen in recent weeks. What's with the pig analogies?


  • #63
    jonniebgood1
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    RichardAnd wrote: »
    Snout seeking trough, That's not the first such reference I've seen in recent weeks. What's with the pig analogies?

    Is it part of an online smear tactic? I have wondered the same myself. Much of the arguments of this nature lack any objectification or reality. Comments such as that in this thread title suggest that there is very little to genuinely put against this man. Similar posts about greasy FF mops, etc seem to be posted also about SG in other threads. If you query them you will be branded a closet FF member:eek:


  • #64
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    RichardAnd wrote: »
    What's with the pig analogies?

    Quite common over the years to compare politicians ripping off the public to pigs with their snouts in a trough.


  • #65
    raymon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,774 ✭✭✭raymon


    jonniebgood1 wrote: »
    Is it part of an online smear tactic? I have wondered the same myself. Much of the arguments of this nature lack any objectification or reality. Comments such as that in this thread title suggest that there is very little to genuinely put against this man. Similar posts about greasy FF mops, etc seem to be posted also about SG in other threads. If you query them you will be branded a closet FF member:eek:

    Hold on a sec. You are the one who said he had a successful business.

    This is the whole point of the thread , to discuss whether he has.

    Were you making things up ?


  • #66
    AngeGal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 927 ✭✭✭AngeGal


    raymon wrote: »
    Hold on a sec. You are the one who said he had a successful business.

    This is the whole point of the thread , to discuss whether he has.

    Were you making things up ?

    I'm not voting for him (though he may get my no.2) but isn't isn't any company keeping 20 people employed these days reasonably successful?


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  • #67
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    AngeGal wrote: »
    I'm not voting for him (though he may get my no.2) but isn't isn't any company keeping 20 people employed these days reasonably successful?

    Not if it's losing money every year and only exists due to grants of taxpayer's money. Anyone could have a successful company if those are the criteria.

    I'm actually genuinely disappointed - I don't think the presidency is about business, but I thought it couldn't do any harm to have a guy from the business world in there in case he could do something for us. But it turns out his successful businesses are anything but, he earns a pittance, and it seems that the only 'success' he managed was due to his FF connections, taxpayer grants from EI, and the property bubble. Now that FF are out of power and the bubble is over, his business is suddenly in the toilet. :(


  • #68
    raymon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,774 ✭✭✭raymon


    To quote his website " Smarthomes Irelands fastest growing technology company" . This is untrue , it is not Irelands fastest growing technology company. This is lies

    It has reduced its staff


  • #69
    polod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 367 ✭✭polod


    When I think of Sean Gallagher the song Gangster Paradise comes to mind.


  • #70
    jonniebgood1
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    raymon wrote: »
    This is untrue , it is not Irelands fastest growing technology company.

    Source please to back up this-i.e. facts and figures.
    Or are you making stuff up again?


  • #71
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    jonniebgood1 wrote: »
    Source please to back up this-i.e. facts and figures.
    Or are you making stuff up again?

    I think we can take it for granted that a loss-making company that's shedding workers isn't the fastest growing IT company in Ireland.


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  • #72
    raymon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,774 ✭✭✭raymon


    jonniebgood1 wrote: »
    Source please to back up this-i.e. facts and figures.
    Or are you making stuff up again?

    WWW.seangallagher.com

    Now .......

    You said he had a successful company .

    I will ask you a fifth time what are the details of this or are you fabricating???

    Are you on his team ??


  • #73
    jonniebgood1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,578 ✭✭✭jonniebgood1


    raymon wrote: »
    WWW.seangallagher.com

    Now .......

    You said he had a successful company .

    I will ask you a fifth time what are the details of this or are you fabricating???

    Are you on his team ??
    What a ridiculous answer. You ignore what you are asked, give an irrelevant link, accuse me of lieing and suggest that I am on his team. As I have said before if this is the best type of argument you can come up with against SG then I am beginning to think he may not be that bad after all.

    His company is called Smart homes, I thought you might have heard of them but I may be wrong. I believe his business skills were nominated for the Ernst & Young award but you may doubt that. Maybe he lied his way onto that nomination also!
    Smarthomes have won numerous accolades including the IntertradeIreland Seedcorn Competition, the Deloitte Rising Star Award, the SFA Innovation Award, the Plan Expo award for the Construction sector and was a finalist in the 2006 Ernst & Young Entrepreneur of the Year Programme.http://www.youngentrepreneur.ie/programme/judges/Sean-Gallagher/
    Now to my mind these nominations and awards are usually given to successful companies. You will predictably respond with some blab about losing money last year without the context of the construction industry. To which I will ask do you always measure success in financial terms.

    So I have backed up my comments with facts. You have said that "Being a businessman is to be admired in todays climate". SG's business has lost money in the las 2 years (the situation improved last year http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/dragon-predicts-smarthomes-will-return-to-profit-2433016.html)
    So his business is about to return to profitability. Add in the fact that his business is in construction which itself is on its knees and surely you must be impressed
    Being a businessman is to be admired in todays climate


    Are you able to back up your assertions.

    -that i am on his 'team'!!!

    -or
    Originally Posted by raymon View Post
    Gallagher is not a new broom , more like a a dirty greasy FF mop
    Can you prove that he is not a broom but rather that he is a mop (a dirty greasy one at that)?
    Sorry if that appears childish but I am quoting your opinion which I am entitled to query.


  • #74
    raymon
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    Is smarthomes the fastest growing company in Ireland then?

    Or is his website misleading ?


  • #75
    raymon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,774 ✭✭✭raymon


    By the way , I never said you were on his team .....just asking if you were


  • #76
    jonniebgood1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,578 ✭✭✭jonniebgood1


    You said that was untrue already and when I asked you to "back up this-i.e. facts and figures." you were unable to do so.
    If you actually are able to stand over any of these posts feel free to do so.


  • #77
    raymon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,774 ✭✭✭raymon


    jonniebgood1 wrote: »
    You said that was untrue already and when I asked you to "back up this-i.e. facts and figures." you were unable to do so.
    If you actually are able to stand over any of these posts feel free to do so.

    Which post..???.. that he said that smarthomes is the fastest growing company in Ireland?
    Or the fact that it has been reducing personnel from 50 to 20.

    Let me know the specific post you disagree with .


  • #78
    jonniebgood1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,578 ✭✭✭jonniebgood1


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=74999719&postcount=73
    no facts (which were asked for) to back up opinion.
    Your stated opinion would hold more weight if you can prove it. you are usually unable to do this as your posts are full of hyperbole. Now I didnt necessarily disagree, I just asked for facts and figures. The reason I did this was that I suspected you did not have them (i.e. you are spoofing which is what you accuse Gallagher of). If you are going to apply standards in most cases it is a good idea to apply them to yourself first regardless of who is a presidential candidate or not. To not do so leaves you open to accusations of hypocrisy.


  • #79
    raymon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,774 ✭✭✭raymon


    jonniebgood1 wrote: »
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=74999719&postcount=73
    no facts (which were asked for) to back up opinion.
    Your stated opinion would hold more weight if you can prove it. you are usually unable to do this as your posts are full of hyperbole. Now I didnt necessarily disagree, I just asked for facts and figures. The reason I did this was that I suspected you did not have them (i.e. you are spoofing which is what you accuse Gallagher of). If you are going to apply standards in most cases it is a good idea to apply them to yourself first regardless of who is a presidential candidate or not. To not do so leaves you open to accusations of hypocrisy.

    Just follow the link http://www.seangallagher.com/2011/about-sean/

    You can paste it into any standard browser.

    He clearly states that smarthomes is the fastest growing company in Ireland.

    Let me know if you are still having trouble following the link


  • #80
    jonniebgood1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,578 ✭✭✭jonniebgood1


    raymon wrote: »
    Just follow the link http://www.seangallagher.com/2011/about-sean/

    You can paste it into any standard browser.

    He clearly states that smarthomes is the fastest growing company in Ireland.

    Let me know if you are still having trouble following the link

    I know where it states that.
    I am asking you to prove your opinion that "it is not Irelands fastest growing technology company"

    As i said:
    Your stated opinion would hold more weight if you can prove it. you are usually unable to do this as your posts are full of hyperbole. Now I didnt necessarily disagree, I just asked for facts and figures. The reason I did this was that I suspected you did not have them (i.e. you are spoofing which is what you accuse Gallagher of). If you are going to apply standards in most cases it is a good idea to apply them to yourself first regardless of who is a presidential candidate or not. To not do so leaves you open to accusations of hypocrisy.


  • #81
    raymon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,774 ✭✭✭raymon


    jonniebgood1 wrote: »
    I know where it states that.
    I am asking you to prove your opinion that "it is not Irelands fastest growing technology company"

    As i said:

    This sbp article shows the company dropped from approx 100 employees to 20

    http://www.sbpost.ie/news/ireland/gallaghers-cabling-company-got-700000-in-state-supports-59166.html

    Companies that reduce staff are not growing

    Now can you please prove otherwise ....if you want to get into this "prove this prove that " back and forward


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  • #82
    Ald
    Closed Accounts Posts: 251 ✭✭Ald


    jonniebgood1 wrote: »
    I know where it states that.
    I am asking you to prove your opinion that "it is not Irelands fastest growing technology company"

    You want your head examined if you buy that s*it!

    A Fianna Fáiler, on the Week in Politics, practically admitted why Seán went independent in the race. He said that FF did some research with a list of candidates that went beyond what is on the ballot and the overwhelming concensus was that people wanted somebody outside of the establishment. On one hand I admire their research but on the other it makes my blood boil when all the FF heads lie about Gallagher being affiliated. He is FF out and out... a scummer basically.


  • #83
    CDfm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    Ald wrote: »
    You want your head examined if you buy that s*it!

    I can't speak for jonnie, but, I am not buying into anything other than wanting a proper analysis of the man as opposed to negative and perjotative comments.

    The reasons I have for not being pro Higgins are his foreign policy thru the years and, that as president and he a Labour Party stalworth, I am unsure how he would use the presidential powers on dissolving or not dissolving the Dail in the event that the coalition fell apart and Enda Kenny lost a vote. So its the legacy of his foreign policy views and his potential for partiality/party bias that concern me.

    So when I see analysis I would like to see it referenced.


  • #84
    Mr.Micro
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    raymon wrote: »
    This sbp article shows the company dropped from approx 100 employees to 20

    http://www.sbpost.ie/news/ireland/gallaghers-cabling-company-got-700000-in-state-supports-59166.html

    Companies that reduce staff are not growing

    Now can you please prove otherwise ....if you want to get into this "prove this prove that " back and forward

    Its FF speak, opposite to the truth but put forward as fact. Remember Biffo, no IMF here and they in the country at the time.


  • #85
    CDfm
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    Mr.Micro wrote: »
    Its FF speak, opposite to the truth but put forward as fact. Remember Biffo, no IMF here and they in the country at the time.

    And Gallaghers involvement in this event was ???


  • #86
    jonniebgood1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,578 ✭✭✭jonniebgood1


    Ald wrote: »
    You want your head examined if you buy that s*it!
    .

    Do people read a post or series of posts before commenting on them?
    I asked for a claim to be backed up.

    So who is buying what s*it?


  • #87
    Mr.Micro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭Mr.Micro


    CDfm wrote: »
    And Gallaghers involvement in this event was ???
    None that I know of but he is FF. One can only expect delusion and subterfuge and stretching of the truth or complete lies.....traits of FF alas that most of us expect and hate. :)


  • #88
    jonniebgood1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,578 ✭✭✭jonniebgood1


    raymon wrote: »
    This sbp article shows the company dropped from approx 100 employees to 20

    http://www.sbpost.ie/news/ireland/gallaghers-cabling-company-got-700000-in-state-supports-59166.html

    Companies that reduce staff are not growing

    Now can you please prove otherwise ....if you want to get into this "prove this prove that " back and forward

    You said 'it is not Irelands fastest growing technology company'
    I have no interest or care whether it is on not.
    I was simply pulling you up on making ridiculous statements that are impossible to prove. You will note that finding out that the company has reduced its staff does not prove what you stated.

    Thats all.


  • #89
    jonniebgood1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,578 ✭✭✭jonniebgood1


    Mr.Micro wrote: »
    One can only expect delusion and subterfuge and stretching of the truth or complete lies.....traits of FF alas that most of us expect and hate. :)
    Is this not the same for each candidate?


  • #90
    raymon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,774 ✭✭✭raymon


    jonniebgood1 wrote: »
    You said 'it is not Irelands fastest growing technology company'
    I have no interest or care whether it is on not.
    I was simply pulling you up on making ridiculous statements that are impossible to prove. You will note that finding out that the company has reduced its staff does not prove what you stated.

    Thats all.

    I have shown that Gallaghers company is contracting so cannot be the fastest growing company in Ireland as he has misrepresented on his website

    In an earlier post you said he has a successful business . And you provided no proof . Looked like a fabrication to me on your part


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  • #91
    swampgas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,644 ✭✭✭swampgas


    jonniebgood1 wrote: »
    Is this not the same for each candidate?

    "Everybody lies" is a pretty lame excuse, jonniebgood1.

    None of the other candidates is misrepresenting their party affiliation to the same degree SG is. This is no little white lie - this is a whopper.

    Maybe SG and his supporters think it acceptable to grossly misrepresent his involvement with FF just so he can have a better shot at getting elected. IMO that reflects very badly on them and him, as it shows a lack of basic honesty.

    He is attempting to cheat the electorate by passing himself off as something he isn't. He certainly won't be getting my vote.


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