Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip Rumours Thread 2011/2012

yabadabado · 13-07-2011 11:29PM

great minds think alike.

#15 · 13-07-2011 11:29PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

yeah - I would like us to sign Tiote or Diarra,

Anyone else die a little inside when they think of Lassana Diarra in a Utd shirt?

The_Kew_Tour · 13-07-2011 11:30PM

Henry Winter says 60-40 in our favour to sign Sneijder, one of the few I would trust....Still not a cert

markc1184 · 13-07-2011 11:31PM

Not sure if its been posted already but Forbes have named United as being the worlds most valuable sports team. Worth $1.86 billion according to them. Closest fotball team are Real Madrid in 5th and Arsenal in 7th. Only other team in the top 20 is Bayern @ 19. List dominated by NFL teams.

yabadabado · 13-07-2011 11:33PM

markc1184 wrote: »

Not sure if its been posted already but Forbes have named United as being the worlds most valuable sports team. Worth $1.86 billion according to them. Closest fotball team are Real Madrid in 5th and Arsenal in 7th.

Out of interest ,what teams are 2nd,3rd,4th?

Quandary · 13-07-2011 11:34PM

Skybet - Sneijder to Utd has been slashed from 4/11 to 2/7 to now 1/5

Should we start getting a bit optimistic about this transfer yet or hold off on the fap fest for a while?

mufcboy1999 · 13-07-2011 11:35PM

keysersoze_88 wrote: »

jones at rb ? has he ever played there before ? if your going to try copy barcas formation you dont play a cb intentionally at rb . when he have 2 good fullbacks in the twins

he is well capable of playing there from what iv seen of him, i know he isnt a natural full back but i think it would come pretty easy to him, i could see him playing similar to oshea or brown when they played full back but look bud i think its possible he could play there afterall he is versatile.

i think the twins are very very raw, huge potential but for me especially rafeal, i think he is very prone to diving in head first aswell as being hot headed i just think defensibly they are suspect as most young attacking full backs are really.

as far as the you dont play a cb at rb, mascherano had no problem switching from cm to cb a much much harder task against 2 very good fowards in rooey and hernandez, a lot of center backs would have played full back at some point in there career.

#15 · 13-07-2011 11:35PM

yabadabado wrote: »

Out of interest ,what teams are 2nd,3rd,4th?

I'm guessing Lakers, Yankees and Cowboys.

Paully D · 13-07-2011 11:36PM

De Gea

Rafeal Vidic Ferdinand Evra

Carrick

Young/Valencia

Nani

Sneijder

Rooney Hernandez

Any good?

IrishIrish · 13-07-2011 11:39PM

Paully D wrote: »

De Gea

Rafeal Vidic Ferdinand Evra

Carrick

Young/Valencia
Nani

Sneijder

Rooney Hernandez

Any good?

Probably not in reality but it will almost certainly be my Fifa 12 starting line up and formation

Although swapping young and nani.

markc1184 · 13-07-2011 11:40PM

yabadabado wrote: »

Out of interest ,what teams are 2nd,3rd,4th?

2nd Dallas Cowboys
3rd New York Yankees
4th Washington Redskins
6th New England Patriots

Lakers not in the top 20 which is surprising.

yabadabado · 13-07-2011 11:42PM

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

he is well capable of playing there from what iv seen of him, i know he isnt a natural full back but i think it would come pretty easy to him, i could see him playing similar to oshea or brown when they played full back but look bud i think its possible he could play there afterall he is versatile.

i think the twins are very very raw, huge potential but for me especially rafeal, i think he is very prone to diving in head first aswell as being hot headed i just think defensibly they are suspect as most young attacking full backs are really.

as far as the you dont play a cb at rb, mascherano had no problem switching from cm to cb a much much harder task against 2 very good fowards in rooey and hernandez, a lot of center backs would have played full back at some point in there career.

Cant see Jones playing full back for United,no need either fabio and rafa are more than capable.jones is just as raw as the twins and has no experience at the top level playing FB.Rafa has more first team apperences than Jones and at a higher level

Le King · 13-07-2011 11:43PM

Diarra is an obtainable target, he's been left out of Madrid's latest 25 man training squad. I just don't think he has the mentality to be one of Fergie's players. He seems to kick up a fuss wherever he goes. I'd like to see a much more ball playing defensive midfielder come in like Arturo Vidal. Who is just one of those players who isn't afraid to tackle, but can pick a pass and can get goals.

Also I think if Vidal/Lass and Sneijder/Other were to come in out best XI would be:

De Gea
Fabio Ferdinand Vidic Evra
Vidal
Carrick Sneijder
Nani Rooney Young

Personally I think that is a pretty sweet team. That, for me, would be the best midfield we have had since Scholes and Keane. It just oozes players who can play the ball. I really don't think you need a traditional defensive midfielder if you can keep the ball as much as that team above would. Obviously, it's a complete dream and I definitely don't think we will sign two midfielders this Summer, but if we do sign Sneijder I think we will go with Young on the left of a 4-3-3.

De Gea
Fabio Ferdinand Vidic Evra
Carrick
Fletcher Sneijder
Nani Rooney Young

I think that is our best team if everybody is on top form. With the likes of Berbatov, Valencia, Giggs, Chico, Anderson (potenitally!) who can come on and change a game. With Rafael, Smalling, Jones, Park, Welbeck and Owen we would have a great squad if we could bring in one or two midfielders. Not entirely sold on a 4-3-3 with us. I certainly don't think it would be enough to beat Barcelona in a midfield of Fletcher and Carrick. Both have been playing sporadically bad over the past year with Fletcher recovering from his illness, but his form was pretty poor before it and Carrick only recovering form towards the end of the season.

yabadabado · 13-07-2011 11:44PM

markc1184 wrote: »

2nd Dallas Cowboys
3rd New York Yankees
4th Washington Redskins
6th New England Patriots

Lakers not in the top 20 which is surprising.

wouldnt have guessed them.
was thinking cowboys and Yankees would be there.

homerjay2005 · 13-07-2011 11:45PM

seen as he played there for parts against chelsea and in the CL final, is valencia a viable option for RB, hence why brown and o shea were sold and young also bought?

Le King · 13-07-2011 11:47PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

seen as he played there for parts against chelsea and in the CL final, is valencia a viable option for RB, hence why brown and o shea were sold and young also bought?

Most definitely. He's well disciplined but Fergie usually plays him against the big teams on the right as he tends not to run around like a headless chicken if things go wrong leaving our RB exposed. I don't think he'd prefer to play him there at all. But he is definitely a viable option.

The_Kew_Tour · 13-07-2011 11:47PM

from Canada stick to the ice hockey

Paul Tergat · 13-07-2011 11:47PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

seen as he played there for parts against chelsea and in the CL final, is valencia a viable option for RB, hence why brown and o shea were sold and young also bought?

No way should we be considering this as an option. They guy is a winger and a damn good one. Play to our strengths imo.

Also, in the first formation King swap Carrick for Flecth. If we go 5 in midfield Flecth has to start for me

Blatter · 13-07-2011 11:49PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

He was fine vs most teams at the back end of last season -only the Baraca game was a let down; and that was more down to inexperience and terrible support.

He wasn't really up front on his own in the same way he would be were he to be the focal point of a 4-3-3.

He was getting on the end of balls from Rooney and the two wingers. That was his primary job. Rooney was getting the ball, feeding the wingers and pulling all the strings, more often than not.

Being in the centre of a 4-3-3, you are have added responsibility. You will be expected to link up the play and hold up the ball much more. I don't think he currently has all the attributes to fufill that role.

There is also still the problem of Rooney being stuck out wide left, which I don't think will or should happen.

Maybe I'm wrong, but my suspicions are it wouldn't work out.

If Sneijder was got, I suspect he'd play CM in a 4-4-1-1 in most games, and in the big games we'd revert to a 4-3-3 with Rooney up top on his own.

onemorechance · 13-07-2011 11:49PM

markc1184 wrote: »

2nd Dallas Cowboys
3rd New York Yankees
4th Washington Redskins
6th New England Patriots

Lakers not in the top 20 which is surprising.

Not owning the venue means they only get a percentage of gate.

markc1184 · 13-07-2011 11:51PM

yabadabado wrote: »

wouldnt have guessed them.
was thinking cowboys and Yankees would be there.

Off Topic but There is a lot of surprises in the list. Of the 20 afaik, there is only 5 that are not NFL. The 4 football teams and then Ferrari @ something like 13.
Once United are at #1 thats the main thing. The Glazers other interest, Tampa Bay are at #18 too.

13-07-2011 11:52PM

I'd say Valencia could play the role that Dani Alves plays for Barca more than sufficiently...

mufcboy1999 · 13-07-2011 11:52PM

yabadabado wrote: »

Cant see Jones playing full back for United,no need either fabio and rafa are more than capable.jones is just as raw as the twins and has no experience at the top level playing FB.Rafa has more first team apperences than Jones and at a higher level

it was more of personal choice to be honest, id like to see jones in the team this season and if rio and vidic are fit he isn't really going to budge them at cb ( same goes with smalling) but im just saying dont be surprised to see jones at full back because he has played there for blackburn before aswell as midfield.

i think jones has more about him to be honest than the twins, more of a understanding how to play the the english game as a defender thats why for me although the twins as you said have more 1st team exp they for me are very unpredictable, that can be a good thing in attackers but i like my back 5 to be predictable remember bartez heart was in my mouth any time someone gave him a pass back

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but look everyone to there own it only a fantasy line up we havnt even got snider yet remember lads :P

Hank Scorpio · 13-07-2011 11:54PM

this link sop://broker.sopcast.com:3912/74348 is meant to be showing the united game in a few mins, showing spurs vs milan highlights atm

mufcboy1999 · 13-07-2011 11:58PM

Liam O wrote: »

I'd say Valencia could play the role that Dani Alves plays for Barca more than sufficiently...

interesting could work but the 1 or 2 times when he slotted into full back last season it was a bit of heart in my mouth stuff when he got the ball he didnt look comfortable there , i dont know though he is very 1 footed as we know, most defenders can use there weaker foot to get them out of a jam im not sure valencia knows he has a left leg yet to be honest someone might want to tell him:D.

Blatter · 13-07-2011 11:59PM

Daily Fail also reporting Sneijder's on his way.

I bet half the tabloids don't actually know anything, they all just want to get in on the act in case it does happen. It's not much of a risk for any of them if it doesn't happen, as so many will be wrong no one paper will be singled out and scrutinised.

Jax Teller · 13-07-2011 11:59PM

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

he is well capable of playing there from what iv seen of him, i know he isnt a natural full back but i think it would come pretty easy to him, i could see him playing similar to oshea or brown when they played full back but look bud i think its possible he could play there afterall he is versatile.

i think the twins are very very raw, huge potential but for me especially rafeal, i think he is very prone to diving in head first aswell as being hot headed i just think defensibly they are suspect as most young attacking full backs are really.

as far as the you dont play a cb at rb, mascherano had no problem switching from cm to cb a much much harder task against 2 very good fowards in rooey and hernandez, a lot of center backs would have played full back at some point in there career.

you say the twins are raw yeah ? but you would rather play a cb there who ive never even heard to have played at rb instead of them ?

A lot of barca attack comes from dani alves at rb , now i dont think phil jones is anywhere near similar to dani alves at all .

The bold bit would rather start a cb at rb over an actual rb . why was mascherano playing at cb ? because of injuries and suspensions he would have never been played there over pique and puyol ever in an important game .

Backstreet Moyes · 14-07-2011 12:00AM

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

he is well capable of playing there from what iv seen of him, i know he isnt a natural full back but i think it would come pretty easy to him, i could see him playing similar to oshea or brown when they played full back but look bud i think its possible he could play there afterall he is versatile.

i think the twins are very very raw, huge potential but for me especially rafeal, i think he is very prone to diving in head first aswell as being hot headed i just think defensibly they are suspect as most young attacking full backs are really.

as far as the you dont play a cb at rb, mascherano had no problem switching from cm to cb a much much harder task against 2 very good fowards in rooey and hernandez, a lot of center backs would have played full back at some point in there career.

Considering Rafael was argubaly the best right back in the league for the first half of the season before injuries and Fabio when got his chance he took it and was one of our best players against Barca. While Jones is young and never played rb so how can you come to the assumption that the Jones is a better rb than the twins. Just because Jones looks a great talent doesnt mean he would be a good rb. I would rather play with players who are rb's instead of converting Jones into a position he never played.

Jones is good on the ball and attacking and is young so by your definition of most young attacking full backs being suspect than Jones would more than likely be suspect at full back and even more so seems he never player their. Again what has Mascherano got to do with Jones. Your assuming because Macherano can be good at a few position than so can Jones. All your doing is making assumptions. I prefer to look at the facts than the twins are improving and were both very good last year and will improve this year. Jones is a promising cb/dm and we should try ease him in slowly into this best position. Why would Fergie stunt the twins growth at rb, while stunting Jones growth at his best position by playing him rb when we bought him for his potential at cb. Just really dont understand your opinion.

Le King · 14-07-2011 12:00AM

markc1184 wrote: »

Off Topic but There is a lot of surprises in the list. Of the 20 afaik, there is only 5 that are not NFL. The 4 football teams and then Ferrari @ something like 13.
Once United are at #1 thats the main thing. The Glazers other interest, Tampa Bay are at #18 too.

Yeah NFL teams are ridiculous money makers. No surprise the fcking Cowgirls are there. Rip-off ticket prices for a team that hasn't won in 16 years.

Also the Milan clubs severely over-value youth players and sell them to each other for 100 times what they are worth. Also the Yankees are there because of their own network which generates a tonne of revenue. Also the amount of hats they sell is ridiculous. They're a money making machine.

jameshayes · 14-07-2011 12:02AM

anyone have a good stream, mine is crap

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip Rumours Thread 2011/2012

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